Hornby Drummond 700

[Hilux5972]

And Knobgate has returned.

[John M Upton]

Finally got around to picking up one of these, managed to snaffle a as new mint boxed 30693 for a shade under seventy sheets.  Forgive me if this has already been discussed but I am trying and failing miserably to fit the brake rigging parts and nothing matches up right on the six pronged tender part plus the four pronged loco part there are no holes anywhere as illustrated in the instruction sheet for them to plug into.

 

Am I being dim or is there a cock up here?

 

EDIT - Mystery solved I think, the small parts pack in the box seems to be for a different model altogether!!!

Edited July 31, 2016 by John M Upton

[guspaul]

What would be a typical formation for a goods train like this? I would like to start adding goods to my collection but I'm having trouble finding out the typical formations used. Particularly in the Wimbledon area. Or does it matter? Can I use any old wagons?

[Robin Brasher]

Not many pictures of 700s with goods trains. On the Swanage Railway the 700s usually pulled about 12 goods wagons. 5 plank open wagons for the clay train or a mixture of 5 or possibly 8 plank open wagons for coal and ventilated vans. Later steel mineral wagons replaced the wooden open wagons. Possibly a cattle wagon would be included. Brake van could be a Southern pill box brake, a Southern Queen Mary brake or a London Midland Region brake.

[Fat Controller]

What would be a typical formation for a goods train like this? I would like to start adding goods to my collection but I'm having trouble finding out the typical formations used. Particularly in the Wimbledon area. Or does it matter? Can I use any old wagons?

I don't remember Wimbledon in the days when the 700s might have worked around there (I think I first visited just after steam finished). However, there were still goods facilities there then; these consisted of a large building housing the S&T Engineers, which usually had a selection of vans and opens outside (see here:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6564217119/in/album-72157628480019309/ ), a coal depot (probably served by 13t wooden-bodied and 16t steel minerals in '700 days') and, IIRC, a banana-ripeners. There would also have been coal traffic to Durnsford Road power station, probably in 21t/24.5t minerals.

Here's a photo taken in the yard itself, and of a '700' too:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/14531060943/in/album-72157628480019309/ Sadly, it doesn't have a train attached.

I found this shot of a fairly typical transfer freight as well:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/9193995382/in/album-72157628480019309/

[paftrain]

I don't remember Wimbledon in the days when the 700s might have worked around there (I think I first visited just after steam finished). However, there were still goods facilities there then; these consisted of a large building housing the S&T Engineers, which usually had a selection of vans and opens outside (see here:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6564217119/in/album-72157628480019309/ ), a coal depot (probably served by 13t wooden-bodied and 16t steel minerals in '700 days') and, IIRC, a banana-ripeners. There would also have been coal traffic to Durnsford Road power station, probably in 21t/24.5t minerals.

Here's a photo taken in the yard itself, and of a '700' too:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/14531060943/in/album-72157628480019309/ Sadly, it doesn't have a train attached.

I found this shot of a fairly typical transfer freight as well:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/9193995382/in/album-72157628480019309/

Not a '700'- it's a C2X.

[Oldddudders]

Think Chessington coal - but only from the '40s onwards, as the line was completed in 1939.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

...Can I use any old wagons?

 Insofar as without a photograph taken at the time of interest, no one is going to know what the train consisted of, yes.

 

On the other hand, unless you know of specific traffics requiring specialist stock at your chosen location, then you could make a 'reasonable' freight train using the wagons operating on the railway in the greatest quantity. Somewhat more than half the freight rolling stock circa 1940 was open mineral wagons, usually in coal traffic. Since coal was the fuel for practically everything, these wagons went 'everywhere'. Most of the other freight travelled in general merchandise wagons, with the open type outnumbering vans over 2 :1. With these three classifications of wagons you have 90+% of the wagon fleet represented: that's what you would have seen on an average day, unless you were in a location with a specialised traffic.

[guspaul]

Very helpful thanks.

 

What about a BR era parcels train? E.g. Where do the PMV / CCTs fit in?

[JSpencer]

Very helpful thanks.

 

What about a BR era parcels train? E.g. Where do the PMV / CCTs fit in?

 

Hi, this link gives some examples: http://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/167-parcels-traffic-in-br-days

[sidmouth]

Morning all

 

I cracked , seduced by an offer and acquired one to complement by growing collection of BR(S) stock. Had I not read the thread I would have been no wiser on handrails and looking at Richard Greenwood's images thta were shared back on page 16 even now I don't see it as that discernable. otherwise I may need a visit to a well known high street opticians

[toboldlygo]

Does anyone know or can recommend a book that shows which wheelbase tenders where fitted to which loco in the final years prior to withdrawal - 1960 onwards?

[SRman]

Morning all

 

I cracked , seduced by an offer and acquired one to complement by growing collection of BR(S) stock. Had I not read the thread I would have been no wiser on handrails and looking at Richard Greenwood's images thta were shared back on page 16 even now I don't see it as that discernable. otherwise I may need a visit to a well known high street opticians

 

I don't think you'll regret the purchase. They are nice models and pull well also. There have been a few bargains recently, and they have been tempting but I have resisted, so far. One 700 is sufficient for my needs (my 'wants' are an entirely different kettle of fish!).

[toboldlygo]

I don't think you'll regret the purchase. They are nice models and pull well also. There have been a few bargains recently, and they have been tempting but I have resisted, so far. One 700 is sufficient for my needs (my 'wants' are an entirely different kettle of fish!).

 

Guilty, acquired another one from the bargains section of a certain Liverpool based box-shifter...

[trevor7598]

Morning all

 

I cracked , seduced by an offer and acquired one to complement by growing collection of BR(S) stock. Had I not read the thread I would have been no wiser on handrails and looking at Richard Greenwood's images thta were shared back on page 16 even now I don't see it as that discernable. otherwise I may need a visit to a well known high street opticians

 

There was a lot of faff on here about the handrails, forget it , it's a damn fine model.

If your eyesight is A1 perfect you may notice them while handling the model, when it's running probably not.

If you model SR/BR(S) It's a very good representation of a 700, and now some are offered at bargain prices, what's not to like.

 

Above all enjoy your new model.

[John M Upton]

Picked up a second one for sixty five notes at Ally Pally last weekend.  So much for increasing prices......

[Robin Brasher]

Picked up a second one for sixty five notes at Ally Pally last weekend.  So much for increasing prices......

Good things come to those that wait. I bought three when they came out so my layout will not benefit from a third one. On the Swanage Railway that I am modelling there was only one 700 operating most of the time but it did run virtually every day with a variety of roles from shunting, hauling the daily goods and the clay train.

[GreenGiraffe22]

My 700 is one of my favourites! I have the one from the Dunkirk set, it is such a good runner and can negotiate some tighter curves that other locos struggle with.

Edited March 31, 2017 by GreenGiraffe22

[nnich]

Was there ever a consensus on which decoder is the best bet for the 700? I just got around to trying and found a TCS

dp2x uk is too tall. I then read through this thread and found that some people had resorted to carving a hole in the top and adding coal to disguise it. If anyone has found something that fits without going to these extremes could you please advise what you used?

 

Thanks

Norm

[OldSutt]

Was there ever a consensus on which decoder is the best bet for the 700? I just got around to trying and found a TCS

dp2x uk is too tall. I then read through this thread and found that some people had resorted to carving a hole in the top and adding coal to disguise it. If anyone has found something that fits without going to these extremes could you please advise what you used?

 

Thanks

Norm

 

I was thinking of buying a 700 and wondering what decoder to use.

If the decoder is in the tender, I wondered whether the tender was shorter than a T9 tender.

I have fitted a Gaugemaster DCC26 in one T9 and a Hattons 8 pin Harness in another T9 as suggested by Hattons in their advert for a 700.

[JSpencer]

I was thinking of buying a 700 and wondering what decoder to use.

If the decoder is in the tender, I wondered whether the tender was shorter than a T9 tender.

I have fitted a Gaugemaster DCC26 in one T9 and a Hattons 8 pin Harness in another T9 as suggested by Hattons in their advert for a 700.

The 6 wheel tender is the same between the two models (note, there are 2 different wheel bases but this does affect size).

 

The 8 wheel watercart is only a few millimetres longer.

[SRman]

I have a TCS DP2X-UK in my 700. I can't remember off-hand what I did to fit it; I may have shifted the weights, but for confirmation I'll have to open it up to check.

[nnich]

I have a TCS DP2X-UK in my 700. I can't remember off-hand what I did to fit it; I may have shifted the weights, but for confirmation I'll have to open it up to check.

Thanks SRman. Interesting that you actually got it to fit. I don't think the weights would be an issue. They are further back and wouldn't come close to the TCS DP2X-UK. The issue is the height of the socket and decoder interfering with the downward sloping surface of the underside of the coal space. I'll have to check the decoder is pushed down as far as possible but I do remember someone (I think much earlier in this thread) mentioning doing some carving!!

 

OldSuit. Yes I can confirm the six wheel tender being the same between the T9 and 700 tenders and I remember from several years ago ripping out the entire socket and hardwiring a T9. I just wanted to avoid that process this time

Regards

Norm

[SRman]

I keep an Excel spreadsheet listing each locomotive and the decoder it is fitted with. Unfortunately, I don't add notes to say what modifications (if any) I did to fit the decoder. Maybe I'll have to start doing that too.

[N15class]

The 6 wheeled tender came in 2 wheel bases, 7 x 7  and 6´6¨ x  6´6.