Hornby SR 25T Bogie B Passenger Brake Van

[S&D Stephen]

Hello All,

 

I am getting very confused about the Hornby SR & BR(S) Bogie B Passenger Brake Van.  I missed out on the original release of the BR(S) version in BR Coaching Stock Green together with the SR Olive Green version - maybe it slipped out onto the market without much pre advertising.  Since then it has been completely unobtainable in either guise that proves to me that Hornby under estimated the demand.

 

Now it is to be re-released but without the option of the SR Olive Green Livery instead we are being offered BR(M) Maroon and BR TOPS Blue in addition to the original BR(S) version.

 

I fail to see why you would not re-release both the original versions first, as you have a clear indicator that they would sell and either add the new colours later or do them all as part of the re-run.  Why pick and choose additional liveries for no reason?  Why not take the obvious easy route and just satisfy the original demand?

 

I would have thought that the SR Olive Green livery would sell perfectly OK as they match the Maunsell Olive Green coaches.

 

Either way the re-release has been postponed more times that I have had hot dinners.  The latest promised delivery date has been and gone with no sign of any version at all but no doubt the asking price is increasing all the time.

 

I guess I will have to go back to building the time consuming Ratio kits if I want to add to my collection.

 

Hornby are really messing about with this non existent model.  As some-one once said "It must be me".  TBH I just don't know where Hornby are coming from, they say that they are sorting the supply chain problems out yet they continue to make unusual decisions about the liveries to be made available on re-releases.

 

Happy Modelling, Stephen.  

 

   

[Oldddudders]

With limited batch production schedules, Hornby have to make some decisions about which liveries are going to sell, and they generally look more to 50s and 60s liveries than to 30s - a quick glance at the era and liveries of their locos may tell us why.

 

I heartily recommend an ear to the ground on these & other models - checking any and every online intelligence source, so when they emerge you can pounce. Ensure you have identified online shops that specialise in Hornby, so you can tap their limited supply at once. Even pre-orders do not guarantee success, sadly.

[petethemole]

They are about; I bought one locally the other day, s/h but MIB.

 

Pete

[Dunsignalling]

Hello All,

 

I am getting very confused about the Hornby SR & BR(S) Bogie B Passenger Brake Van.  I missed out on the original release of the BR(S) version in BR Coaching Stock Green together with the SR Olive Green version - maybe it slipped out onto the market without much pre advertising.  Since then it has been completely unobtainable in either guise that proves to me that Hornby under estimated the demand.

 

Now it is to be re-released but without the option of the SR Olive Green Livery instead we are being offered BR(M) Maroon and BR TOPS Blue in addition to the original BR(S) version.

 

I fail to see why you would not re-release both the original versions first, as you have a clear indicator that they would sell and either add the new colours later or do them all as part of the re-run.  Why pick and choose additional liveries for no reason?  Why not take the obvious easy route and just satisfy the original demand?

 

I would have thought that the SR Olive Green livery would sell perfectly OK as they match the Maunsell Olive Green coaches.

 

Either way the re-release has been postponed more times that I have had hot dinners.  The latest promised delivery date has been and gone with no sign of any version at all but no doubt the asking price is increasing all the time.

 

I guess I will have to go back to building the time consuming Ratio kits if I want to add to my collection.

 

Hornby are really messing about with this non existent model.  As some-one once said "It must be me".  TBH I just don't know where Hornby are coming from, they say that they are sorting the supply chain problems out yet they continue to make unusual decisions about the liveries to be made available on re-releases.

 

Happy Modelling, Stephen.  

Hornby have always produced an odd mix of liveries and their production woes aren't likely to help align batches of an individual model like the Van B with the coach ranges which are produced in compatible batches.

 

They will also have calculated that BR 1950s/60s liveries sell better (and therefore quicker, which is a definite plus at present) than other eras these days.

 

If you don't think that's right, search for Maunsells on-line and compare how hard it is to find BR green ones and how easy it is to find most of the others. If all were available simultaneously, sales of BR green would probably equal all the rest put together.

 

Incidentally, the crimson isn't BR(M), it's just early BR; BR didn't start to repaint Southern stock in green until 1956/7. Quite a few Van Bs never received crimson but went straight from late SR green to the BR colour.

 

I don't think we've seen the last Olive green Van Bs, merely that this year's are a re-run of the most popular version plus a couple that they haven't done before.

 

John

[Robin Brasher]

I have just been told that the Hornby R4585 bogie passenger brake van in BR blue (Scottish Region) livery has arrived at Hattons. I don't know why it is described as in Scottish Region livery. Perhaps some were sent to Scotland but it would be helpful if Hornby were to mention this in their catalogue. I think the model is based on the prototype at Corfe Castle Station. This was restored in BR blue livery by a group of youngsters called the Sygnets. I missed out on the first batch.

 

I would like to buy locally but my local model shop on a preserved railway is not taking any orders until after Christmas when the B vans will be sold out so I am going to buy it at Hattons. I hope the other B vans don't come out tomorrow or I will waste £4 postage but I do no want to miss out on this one as I am modelling Corfe Castle Station on the Swanage Railway.

[Fat Controller]

I have just been told that the Hornby R4585 bogie passenger brake van in BR blue (Scottish Region) livery has arrived at Hattons. I don't know why it is described as in Scottish Region livery. Perhaps some were sent to Scotland but it would be helpful if Hornby were to mention this in their catalogue. I think the model is based on the prototype at Corfe Castle Station. This was restored in BR blue livery by a group of youngsters called the Sygnets. I missed out on the first batch.

 

I would like to buy locally but my local model shop on a preserved railway is not taking any orders until after Christmas when the B vans will be sold out so I am going to buy it at Hattons. I hope the other B vans don't come out tomorrow or I will waste £4 postage but I do no want to miss out on this one as I am modelling Corfe Castle Station on the Swanage Railway.

Perhaps the photo that Hornby based their model on was taken in Scotland; however the Van Bs , despite their wanderings, remained a 'Southern' vehicle until their demise. The last examples in revenue service were used on newspaper trains from London Bridge until the end of such traffic in the late 1980s.

[rembrow]

I've just visited my local model railway shop and they had received from Hornby stock of the bogie passenger brake in BR crimson (R4586) if anyone is looking for this. I don't know about the numbers being released as there has been a glut of releases this week (Duke of Gloucester, Glastonbury Abbey Star Class DCC Ready, 2 versions of Sentinel Diesel, Gresley Corridor Composite Brake in BR Maroon as well as the blue and crimson ex SR passenger bogie brakes), all of which I saw in the shop having been delivered yesterday and today and many are initial deliveries with further stock in the New Year. Seems like a Happy Christmas from Hornby.

[hmrspaul]

Sounds like Hornby's container has come in, and just in time for Xmas.

 

There is a personal perspective guest comment about Hornby's woes in Model Rail 191 Winter 2014 page 153. Makes a lot of sense.

 

Photos of the real B here, plenty ended their days in blue, I hope Hornby have used a prototype photo and not a conserved one

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srguvandb  Crimson would be very sensible as a batch were built in 1952 and would have been new in that colour.

 

Amusing to think that blue was probably their longest established livery (apart from grot that is) - an early Blue repaint might have done 20 years in blue.

 

Seasonal best wishes

 

Paul

Edited December 24, 2013 by hmrspaul

[Ben04uk]

Perhaps the photo that Hornby based their model on was taken in Scotland; however the Van Bs , despite their wanderings, remained a 'Southern' vehicle until their demise. The last examples in revenue service were used on newspaper trains from London Bridge until the end of such traffic in the late 1980s.

 

 

I'm sure this is correct but they did travel far and wide before this. David Larkin has photos of them at Penzance in 1970 (S258S) and Lancaster in 1972 (S360S).

[Fat Controller]

I'm sure this is correct but they did travel far and wide before this. David Larkin has photos of them at Penzance in 1970 (S258S) and Lancaster in 1972 (S360S).

Perhaps I should clarify; their official allocation remained with the SR, as denoted with the prefix letter to the number. This is in contrast with other NPCCS vehicles, such as Stanier 50' vans with a 'W' prefix, and a Siphon G with a 'S' prefix. I've found a photo of one, possibly S218S, coupled behind the loco in a 1957 view of a Fishguard boat train; from what's visible of the second vehicle, this was also a Van B.

[drgj]

I just bought one of these vans and it is a fine model. I have built one from a Ratio kit in the past (see one of my posts) and the Hornby van  is the equal or better than the Ratio product which was a very fiddly build. I did suddenly think I have just spent £28 on a parcel van but the Ratio kit new is about £22 and then the work on top.

[Dunsignalling]

I just bought one of these vans and it is a fine model. I have built one from a Ratio kit in the past (see one of my posts) and the Hornby van  is the equal or better than the Ratio product which was a very fiddly build. I did suddenly think I have just spent £28 on a parcel van but the Ratio kit new is about £22 and then the work on top.

I've got four of the Hornby vans, plus one I made from the kit many years ago that had seen better days (withdrawn for restoration - subsequently binned).

 

So glad I didn't have to do another one, I too remember it as being a right faff to build!

 

John

Edited February 27, 2015 by Dunsignalling

[Adrian Rosenlund]

Greetings one and all.

I just found one the Bogie passenger brake on the Hornby website. What was their purpose? I.e, how and where would they have been used?

Adrian

[Graham_Muz]

Greetings one and all.

I just found one the Bogie passenger brake on the Hornby website. What was their purpose? I.e, how and where would they have been used?

Adrian

 

See here http://www.semgonline.com/vandw/vanb_01.html and here http://www.semgonline.com/model/4mm_lugg_vans_01.html

Edited December 27, 2015 by Graham_Muz

[Passed Driver]

Hi All. I recently emailed Hornby the Bogiie B Van, customer care ? I also emailed about the LSWR livery M7, and said that it would be nice to have a rake of coaches to run with it..

Their reply put me in my place! Apparently the LSWR coaching stock idea doesn't appeal to them, as only current stock sells??

Steam Locos aren't exactly current, unless it is a preservation railway. But of course they are hoping to sell to collectors to keep in the packing, maybe to resell on eBay at a premium or display in a cabinet never to pull a rake of coaches, and it has been suggested that they " cannot pull the skin off a rice pudding " though I haven't tried that. "Roxey mouldings" do some kits that may be useful to you.

all the best. Kevin

[Blobrick]

On 24/12/2013 at 17:17, hmrspaul said:

Sounds like Hornby's container has come in, and just in time for Xmas.

 

There is a personal perspective guest comment about Hornby's woes in Model Rail 191 Winter 2014 page 153. Makes a lot of sense.

 

Photos of the real B here, plenty ended their days in blue, I hope Hornby have used a prototype photo and not a conserved one

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srguvandb  Crimson would be very sensible as a batch were built in 1952 and would have been new in that colour.

 

Amusing to think that blue was probably their longest established livery (apart from grot that is) - an early Blue repaint might have done 20 years in blue.

 

Seasonal best wishes

 

Paul

 

Absolutely Paul

 

The banger blue period was the longest stretch of consistent liveries on our railways, but even so we can get catch out. For example Hornby's Bogie B in BR Blue as mention above, l believe, the model depicts an NFV in early 1980s condition, but when were they classed as NFVs?

 

Bob C