Derekstuart Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 BTW one small question about them- did the real ones ever have white painted dampers and brackets? Normally these when new are blue or red. I've never seen white ones (small point, easily resolved if not correct) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) BTW one small question about them- did the real ones ever have white painted dampers and brackets? Normally these when new are blue or red. I've never seen white ones (small point, easily resolved if not correct) FGWs 143s are fitted with white dampers when they are overhauled at Bristol St Phillips Marsh. Edited February 19, 2015 by royaloak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thanks Royaloak. A mine of information as usual. --- It is really tempting to bu one of these (when available) and repaint it back into its 'proper' colours of light blue, dark blue and a bit of white. But I've been advised (even by Mr P) that some glazing is well glued in and maybe not so easy to remove. Does anyone have any experience of this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 ahem, light grey dampers thank you - although they quickly weather down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't know, have they been released yet ? I'm just making an observation not a nit pick. Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Well if you are saying that the colour is off, I assume that was based upon inspecting the model. Every computer will display colour slightly different and that is without considering the way the photograph was taken. Likewise, just an observation not a nit pick. But I think RT are pretty good at accuracy. I don't know, have they been released yet ?I'm just making an observation not a nit pick.Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Ok my perception via my iPad screen colour is that the model pictured under factory lighting APPEARS after looking at the real thing the other night with my own eyes which may or may not be defective was that colour looked a little light. Also the red seating is incorrect for the unit I saw, there may well be units running round with red seats....... However the FGW units looks spot on and very very desirable. Great Western Edited February 21, 2015 by Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) I know you were trying to undermine my quite valid point, but I have to say that your response did make me laugh. Although my sense of humour may or may not also be defective. Ok my perception via my iPad screen colour is that the model pictured under factory lighting APPEARS after looking at the real thing the other night with my own eyes which may or may not be defective was that colour looked a little light.Also the red seating is incorrect for the unit I saw, there may well be units running round with red seats.......However the FGW units looks spot on and very very desirable.Great Western Edited February 21, 2015 by Derekstuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Ok my perception via my iPad screen colour is that the model pictured under factory lighting APPEARS after looking at the real thing the other night with my own eyes which may or may not be defective was that colour looked a little light. Also the red seating is incorrect for the unit I saw, there may well be units running round with red seats....... Some Arriva pacers still have red and green seats (the old Valley Lines colours). I don't think any have all red or all green - it's a mix. Most have greyish seats now. For some reason the ones with grey seats usually seem to have red and green tip-up seats at the ends, and vice versa. I have no idea why but I'm sure there's a reason. Edited February 21, 2015 by Coryton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 ahem, light grey dampers thank you - although they quickly weather down. It is a very light grey though, anyway as you have stated, it only takes a week or two of normal service to get them back to the normal 'rusty' colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I know you were trying to undermine my quite valid point, but I have to say that your response did make me laugh. Although my sense of humour may or may not also be defective. Not at all mate......but I'm glad I gave you a chuckle. Great Western 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Some Arriva pacers still have red and green seats (the old Valley Lines colours). I don't think any have all red or all green - it's a mix. Most have greyish seats now. For some reason the ones with grey seats usually seem to have red and green tip-up seats at the ends, and vice versa. I have no idea why but I'm sure there's a reason. Memory serves that's correct yes, the old Red and Green valley line scheme that's right. As did the 150s did they ever have the red and green as per the pacers ? Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Memory serves that's correct yes, the old Red and Green valley line scheme that's right. As did the 150s did they ever have the red and green as per the pacers ? Great Western Very close, The Red / Green Interior was the same across both the Wales & Borders Valley Lines & Wessex Trains fleets as they were both refurbished alongside each other by the then Wales & West before the splitting of franchises had occurred. 150 Wise, they differed both internally - Wessex's were refurbished with a minimalist approach to colour with a mostly grey interior and Pink grabhandles while W&B Valley Lines were the same Red/Green pattern with green grabhandles. Both had the same refurbishment with the same Chapman seats installed. Exterior wise, while the Wessex Trains fleet were vinyled into the Maroon Pictorial Livery with pictures of the South West, the Valley Lines fleet received the same livery style but applied with one car in Green and the other in Red with South Wales based pictures on the side. Shame they were removed and replaced with corporate ATW. Hope this helps, Here is a link to one of Martyn Read's pictures of 150280 slightly off patch at Exeter. http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailwayPics-2/Wales-and-Borders/i-RvBS22V/A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's all coming back now, cheers mate! Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2015 Very close, The Red / Green Interior was the same across both the Wales & Borders Valley Lines & Wessex Trains fleets as they were both refurbished alongside each other by the then Wales & West before the splitting of franchises had occurred. Are you sure? Before the 'split', Valley Lines was a separate franchise to Wales and West (though both were owned by Prism/National Express). I'm pretty sure the red and green (inside and out) was just Valley Lines. After the franchise re-arrangement I don't think there was separate branding for the former Valley Lines services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) We painted it the colours Arriva told us! The Hornby one is wrong and the Bachmann one is quite near. Charlie Edited February 23, 2015 by charliepetty 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Testing the Arriva Class 143s as we speak, customer despatch is within 3 weeks. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 My credit card has already been debited - hope postie doesn't sling it over the side gate if I'm not in!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 How are the FGW ones coming along Charlie? (P.S Hoping there slightly delayed, New Job starts 1st of May! ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Doing 143s at the moment for Welsh Wales, cannot do everything, sorry Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Doing 143s at the moment for Welsh Wales, cannot do everything, sorry Charlie No problem Charlie, I completely understand and am happy with that! Gives me enough time to save for another FGW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted March 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2015 Plenty of Arriva ones in Lord and Butler this am. Very nice they look too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Great Model .Received mine this morning and have just tested it.It is a class apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robf Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm really looking forward to mine but as I've ordered sound and passengers it may be some time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 Sound & Passenger versions within 3 weeks. Stopped sleeping at the moment!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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