Walton on the hill 27E Liverpool, EM gauge.

[APOLLO]

Would these V2 powered York trains run over Woodhead ?  Just curious on their routing

 

Brit15

[Michael Delamar]

 

From an ex driver when I asked him what freights from Walton used the Fallowfield loop. 

 

”The only Walton working that used the Fallowfield loop was the 'Midnight York', always a York B1, which booked on at 11.45pm, engine already prepared, off shed at midnight, depart Walton Up Side at 12.30am, calls at Halewood and Warrington to pick up, then across Risley Moss to Trafford Park and Throstle's Nest Junction, away from Manchester on the Cheadle line, then the Fallowfield loop to Fairfield Junction and relief at Guide Bridge at 3.11am.  The return was the 1.05am from Dringhouses (York) to Walton, train number 753, departing Guide Bridge at 4.50am and back the same way, putting off and picking up at Warrington and Halewood, with arrival at Walton about 7.30am.”

 

 

He says always a B1 but for a while there were V2s, then towards Huddersfield probably via Micklehurst loop and then via Mirfield where 60954 derailed on a working from Walton which is when they discovered V2s  where banned on part of the route.

Then I would guess via Wakefield Kirkgate.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Michael Delamar

[Michael Edge]

3 hours ago, APOLLO said:

Would these V2 powered York trains run over Woodhead ?  Just curious on their routing

 

Brit15

Not after the new tunnel opened in 1954, steam through workings were banned then.

[Michael Delamar]

Recently been given spotting notes of John Ward. 

At Skelton Junction.

 

60849 14/10/61

60855 2/12/61

60887 25/11/61

60939 pre 22/11/61.

 

So they didnt all go via Fallowfield. That must obviously have been a daytime working.

 

Also notes York K1  62048 on Walton shed on 5/8/56 with several other Gorton ones on shed when new in 1949. So at least I can say they got to the shed and can run mine on the layout knowing this which Im happy as ive always liked the look of these locos. 
 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Michael Delamar

[Stephenwolsten]

I've just been catching up with your progress and Chris' work.   The Queens Drive/Rice Lane buildings are fantastic.   I particularly remember the corner sweet shop/newsagent and the Midland Bank (where I opened my first account in 1970).   The Baths are very well modelled.  I had school swimming lessons there in 1964.   Your research on rail traffic etc is unrivalled.   I hope to see the completed layout one day.......

[Michael Delamar]

Thank you Stephen. 
 

Chris has sent me some pictures of his progress on the houses including the front walls.

 

[Michael Delamar]

Ive been doing some more wagons.  Some new Parkside wagons and some Airfix ones have been rescued with new Parkside chassis as they were 00 acquired from club member Bob Rowlands but the axle holes were too enlarged.

 

 

 

 

The first 2 rows are wagons Ive worked on the last few days. The others are some ive had for a while now from our Crown Street layout. We do have some more stored away.

 

[Barry O]

Can't have enough mineral wagons!!

Baz

[Enterprisingwestern]

19 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Can't have enough mineral wagons!!

Baz

 

240 ish and counting for me.

Slight overkill for a 8 X 1 shunting plank!

 

Mike.

[Barry O]

Not sure how many are on Wentworth Junction . I need a few more but have a few in for repair.

Baz

[Michael Delamar]

John Ward lived alongside the CLC North Liverpool line in Gateacre. 
 

His notes are fantastic, he noted down things like smokebox shed plates and locos with later crests when they first started to appear. We are up to 1964.

 

His wife also took numbers for him if he wasn't at home.
 

Some notes, Walton shed closed 15/12/63.

 

John visited on 26/1/64 and no locos were present. 
 

13/6/64 all lines in to Walton shed lifted.

 

Diesels other than the Sheffield class 31 and 08 movements seem to be rare during the time the shed was open, afterwards...

 

Seen by his wife outside the house in Gateacre on 8/7/64 was D122 on a inbound freight at 12:45.

 

2/7/64 D2372 and D3855 light engines.

 

3/7/64 D2858 and guards van.

 

These sightings would not have necessarily have went to Huskisson as they could have also gone to Langton or via Aintree towards Preston. He does note class 02s and even a Jackshaft on Aintree shed, my guess is they were going to or from Speke Junction for fuel. But its still an interesting bit of history of the CLC North Liverpool line. His notes are quite extensive but being such a busy line and with a lot of movements happening at night things could be missed.  A class 02/03 light engine move may appear on the layout..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael Edge]

Ex LNER locos including V2s worked over the LNW from Leeds after the Woodhead route was closed to steam in 1954. The Yorkshire 0-4-0s were probably going to Allerton for maintenance, they wouldn't send them that far for fuel. After the MDHB was severed at the Pier Head it took a full 8 hour shift to work one of these round Liverpool from Bank Hall to Brunswick - one was out stationed there and had to be changed over from time to time.

There were at least 180 coal wagons (including one 60 wagon train of empties) on Wentworth Junction before we put Herculaneum back up last month, I'm busy going through all the couplings at the moment.

[Michael Delamar]

Chris has been busy down on the allotments.

[Tom D]

Hi Mike,

 

Just wondering if there is any updates for Walton on the Hill?

 

All the best,

 

Tom D

[Michael Delamar]

Lockdown has restricted our club room access, but work is going on on locos, stock and buildings.

[Tom D]

Looking forward to pictures.....................a lot of things could have happened in the 9 months since you last posted ......just saying!

[Kier Hardy]

On 03/02/2021 at 18:36, Michael Delamar said:

Lockdown has restricted our club room access, but work is going on on locos, stock and buildings.

Hasn't it just!

Here's hoping you, Chris (and others?) have been beavering away in the background on rolling stock and other architectural projects. Missing the updates, so I look forward to seeing what you've been up to in due course.

 

[Michael Delamar]

Time for an update, although not much has been done on the layout itself during lockdown, as it was locked in the clubrooms.

Back home I tore down our old garage and had a new larger and fully insulated garage built which could house the layout.

I could get the length I wanted, but would never have the space to have the full width, as it’s between the house and the building next door If I wanted it insulated properly, so 2 new shorter boards have been built and track laid and now wired to fit, I had to lose about ten inches, which wasn’t a problem as the curve on the originals wasn’t a full curve but had short straightish lengths on them, so the curve radius is still pretty much the same and everything goes round them. Chris Hewitt drew up and built the points and track work for these.

As I say nothing has been done scenically on the layout, I have built some locos and chassis during the lockdown and also some wagons, but now I can work on the layout whenever I want and I’ve been testing it a lot.

 

Progress should now be quicker, it is booked to appear at the Liverpool Model railway show next year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[90164]

Nice to see the Orrell Park totem!

[PjKing1]

Looking very good mate 

[Worsdell forever]

That's a cracking room, still plenty of operating space despite losing 10". 

 

The Dog looks happy with it anyway.

[Gilbert]

44 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said:

The Dog looks happy with it anyway.

Lots of sticks.....just saying

[Michael Delamar]

Video as a Rowsley 9f on loaded coal for Clarence dock power station passes a Gorton 04/7 with empties, empties were sometimes run as 2 rakes of wagons hence the length.

[5BarVT]

10 minutes ago, Michael Delamar said:

Video as a Rowsley 9f on loaded coal for Clarence dock power station passes a Gorton 04/7 with empties, empties were sometimes run as 2 rakes of wagons hence the length.

Like it!

Two rakes of empties is (was) fine for trailing load and good for line occupancy, but how did the engine get back?  Was there another flow that needed more power in the opposite direction?

Paul.

[Michael Delamar]

No idea about that.

 

Thompson O1, rare at Walton for the period but John Ward recorded one in 1960 and the Hornby model isn’t too hard to convert to EM with its original wheels pulled out as the axles are nicely splined. Still needs detailing and it’s smokebox number changing. It’s a really nice runner.