LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Many thanks for the diagrams. I've also had a look on the 1"OS map of the area which has reminded me that all the bridges between Barkston South Junction and the North end of Peascliffe Tunnel were overbridges. There is an underbridge (for what looks like a stream )south of Peascliffe Tunnel, very close to Signal U107 on your plans. Looking at the background of the image (on a higher resolution copy) the ground rises and the trees, though out of focus, are in the right pattern for the south side of the hill at Peasecliffe Tunnel. So I think the location is approx 2miles and 2 furlogs south of Barkston South Junction, or a fraction under 2 miles north of Grantham station. It is now right on the edge of a new housing estate to the north of Grantham. So I suppose the best description is "South of Peascliffe Tunnel". It's actually just south of the road from Great Gonerby which crosses the line a very short distance south of the tunnel. Edit, The rear coach of each of these trains is approximately where Dad stood, on the telegraph pole side of the track to take the unknown location image. The unknown image was taken looking towards where the photographer was standing when he took the images below. Peascliffe Tunnel Class 55 9008 The Green HOwards down ex pass Dac 70 J2471.jpg Peascliffe Tunnel Class 55 9008 The Green Howards down ex pass Dec 70 J2471 Peascliffe Tunnel Class 47 1516 down ex pass Dec 70 J2466.jpg Peascliffe Tunnel Class 47 1516 down ex pass Dec 70 J2466 Sorry about the image quality, it was a misty dull day. Many thanks. David Were these pictures taken from Belton Lane bridge? I can see high tension pylons nearby that would require termination of the pole route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 26, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2013 Were these pictures taken from Belton Lane bridge? I can see high tension pylons nearby that would require termination of the pole route. Sorry, it's taken me a while to reply Yes, both Dad and I quite often went there, it was a nice quiet road with easy parking and made a change from Swayfield. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 26, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2013 Some more this morning (if I post them quickly). A somewhat slow start today - I seem to have caught a cold. Steamtown L&YR Class 25 1300 on shuttle 8th August 87 C8836 Stratford Class 31 down ex pass March 79 C4372 Tenterden Terrier Sutton & GWR railcar 20 26th December 79 C4912 34 years ago today! - and it seems like yesterday. I remember the day - I spent a lot of time trying to find a garage which was actually open to buy some petrol to get back home to Essex. Ever since then I've filled the tank just before Christmas. Tywyn Wharf No4 Edward Thomas Aug 69 J1891 Waterloo 4TC and 2SAP March 75 J4187 Many thanks to Fat Controller for pointing out my captioning error, it's always nice to get the information right. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 26, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2013 I thought it was unladen Conflats, rather than a Conflat with an empty container, that were subject to restrictions? My 1967 section E just says empty conflats prohibited from loaded fitted heads. Exactly so - empty Conflats were barred from being formed as part of a vacuum head (and vacuum head - be the other wagons loaded or empty) sometime in, I think, 1966. the reason was quite simple - they had a nasty tendency to derail when being shoved by the unfitted part of the train when the continuous brake was applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 26, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2013 To start with a couple more location unsure black and whites from the unknown photographer - though he may well not be with us any more. Can anyone confirm these locations or add anything? 6900? and 3802 Where? Now confirmed as Taunton 13th June 1964 3802 has numbers on the bufferbeam as well as a smokebox numberplate Where? Hall class Now for some more colour ones, again everyday railway scenes: Woodhead Class 76 eastbound empty coal April 80 C5006 Birmingham_New_Street Class 31 ecs for New St to Norwich, Classes 86, 87 Oct 80_C5216 Hillmorton Class 82 Wolverhampton to Euston June 75_J4365 View_through_the_platform_barriers_at_Fenchurch_Street_April_1975 Aberdour Class 101 Edinburgh to Kirkcaldy Aug 74 J3984 Arth Goldau SOB Re44iii 44 Pfaffikon pushing Luzern to St Gallen with BT coach on rear 5th Aug 88 C10195 SOB is the Swiss Sudostbahn (South Eastern Railway), one of many non SBB railway companies in the country. It's quite common for Swiss trains to have engines in the middle, usually when strengthening coaches are added to a push pull set. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I did wonder if 6900 and 3802 were at Taunton? Not sure though. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 That's the map I always wish I had when I'm sorting out photos David! The OS 1:25000 maps are available online via Bing maps (http://www.bing.com/maps/?mkt=en-gb) - click "Road" and there's a drop-down menu with Ordnance Survey. It changes to 1:50000 and then 1:25000 depending on how much you zoom in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 26, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2013 I did wonder if 6900 and 3802 were at Taunton? Not sure though. cheers It could be Taunton but I suspect that it isn't - and they look like fairly 'late steam' period in view of the painted smokebox numberplates at which time 3802 had moved north from Banbury to Tyseley and Oxley. And I suspect the 'Hall' might not be 6900 which was a Goodwick engine. I'm also fairly sure the other picture is not at Plymouth North Road but can't identify where it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Exactly so - empty Conflats were barred from being formed as part of a vacuum head (and vacuum head - be the other wagons loaded or empty) sometime in, I think, 1966. the reason was quite simple - they had a nasty tendency to derail when being shoved by the unfitted part of the train when the continuous brake was applied. A few other restrictions here.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 a Waterloo 4CIG and 2SAP leading a four car train. March 75 J4187.jpg Waterloo 4CIG and 2SAP March 75 J4187 Many thanks to Fat Controller for pointing out my captioning error, it's always nice to get the information right. David It's actually a 4TC not a 4CIG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted December 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2013 Do I spy an XP64 coach in that Stratford class 31 shot? Lovely photos BTW... Andy g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 27, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2013 It's actually a 4TC not a 4CIG Many thanks, I've amended the caption. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 27, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2013 The first batch for today. We'll start with two of Dad's black and white photos I came across recently in a box of his bits and pieces. So these are extra ones not in the thread of his photos. Rugby rebuilt Royal Scot down ex pass c1950 Vol1056 Daybrook O4 eastbound coal c1954 Vol7384 Now a few colour ones from us both. Ardwick Class 506 M59406 from Hadfield Jan 72 C787 Brocklesby Class 47 1888 westbound oil Aug 70 J2174 Dilhorne Platform Bagnall Hawarden setting off 28th Sept 75 C2463 Dilhorne is on the Foxfield Railway for those who don't know the area. Heddon Mill Class 42 D818 Glory Exeter to Ilfracombe Aug 66 J581 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted December 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2013 #30 not Laira or Nth Rd. I also suspect Taunton but without any certainty. Another set of lovely memories; love the Woodhead shot. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 27, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2013 A few for this evening. As usual just everyday ordinary things (well most of them). Stratford Diesel repair shop Class 37 suspended from cranes July 79 C4640 Taken on an open day. Sunderland Bridge GNER Class 91 down XP 3rd May 97 C21834 With the early GNER lettering. Chappel and Wakes Colne Cravens Class 105 pass to Colchester arriving Sept 78_C4127 Barkston South Junction north of, crossing bridge over Sleaford- Nottingham direct line.J39 64902 up goods c1949 JVol3263 Basford N7 69628 pass Nottingham Victoria to Derby Friargate Jan 54 JVol7005 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted December 27, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2013 Love them all but especially the Woodhead pic. No help on the mystery photos though. Just one piece of information. BT on the SOB loco'd train is Bodensee Toggenberg which I think became part of the SOB. If it was a strengthening coach it was probably one that was at the back of the queue for relettering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 27, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2013 Love them all but especially the Woodhead pic. No help on the mystery photos though. Just one piece of information. BT on the SOB loco'd train is Bodensee Toggenberg which I think became part of the SOB. If it was a strengthening coach it was probably one that was at the back of the queue for relettering. Many thanks, when I posted the image I'd forgotten about the merger. I've checked and the photo was taken before the merger but even then there was very close cooperation and mixed formations were quite common - I think I have quite a lot mroe photos of them, one day they will appear here or on flickr. David Edited to correct a word. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 It could be Taunton but I suspect that it isn't - and they look like fairly 'late steam' period in view of the painted smokebox numberplates at which time 3802 had moved north from Banbury to Tyseley and Oxley. And I suspect the 'Hall' might not be 6900 which was a Goodwick engine. I'm also fairly sure the other picture is not at Plymouth North Road but can't identify where it is. The photo of 6900 and 3802 also appears on this website and states that it is Taunton Shed, taken on June 13, 1964. 3802 was a Taunton engine at the time and 6900 was a Bristol St Philips Marsh engine. http://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/NEWS-2013-JAN.htm 6900 moved to Bristol in 1963 to St Philips Marsh and then on to Barrow Road when the Marsh closed, on the date of the photo, June 13, 1964. When in Bristol it lost its front plate and a replica was fitted, as in this picture of it in Bristol http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=55350440@N06&q=6900 3802 moved from Taunton to Bristol in October 1964 and was withdrawn from Barrow Road in August 1965. Great set of photos, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2013 The photo of 6900 and 3802 also appears on this website and states that it is Taunton Shed, taken on June 13, 1964. 3802 was a Taunton engine at the time and 6900 was a Bristol St Philips Marsh engine. http://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/NEWS-2013-JAN.htm 6900 moved to Bristol in 1963 to St Philips Marsh and then on to Barrow Road when the Marsh closed, on the date of the photo, June 13, 1964. When in Bristol it lost its front plate and a replica was fitted, as in this picture of it in Bristol http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=55350440@N06&q=6900 3802 moved from Taunton to Bristol in October 1964 and was withdrawn from Barrow Road in August 1965. Great set of photos, by the way. Many thanks for the information. Having studied the 2 photos of 3802 and 6900 carefully they are from different negatives, the two photographers must have been standing some distance apart as the locos are seen against slightly different pieces of wall. On the one I've posted the Hall's chimney is half against a window, on the one on the Taunton trains website it is against the corrugated walling. I wonder if they were taken on a group visit to Taunton shed? Also one negative is much sharper than the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2013 Some for this afternoon. Althorne Class 110 Southminster to Wickford Sept 74 C1793 Sheerness Class 414 6116 Sheerness to Sittingbourne July 77 CJ5713 Bressingham Manning Wardle No4 Solomon ex Samuel Williams Wharf Ltd J3367 Brighton 10001 c1952 JVol7203 Brinklow Class 86 E3194 down freight Jan 69 J1524 Edit - my apologies if the images vanished and then reappeared - I've no idea what went wrong for a few moments just after posting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Such an eclectic set of photos, but all wonderful in their own way - thank you very much for sharing them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Great to see an AL6 on what appears to be a Class 7 freight. Some of these subjects were incredibly camera shy, no doubt through their perceived lack of glamour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted December 28, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 28, 2013 10001 at Brighton is delightfully filthy. Was it temporarily out of use at the time? If you weathered one like that some people would probably point out that they are always clean in contemporary photos. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2013 This evening's batch. The first one is a "new" one of Dad's. Lewes coach October 1950 Vol7385 Now for a mix of mine and his, all taken either on days out or in some cases a short ride (or even walk) from our respective homes. Bulwell Common B1 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone 1947 JVol7369 Bottesford LEV1 experimental railbus towards Grantham 4 Aug 81 C5464 Cambois 37212 from Lynemouth 22nd Dec 86 C8233 Dinting Jubilee class 5690 Leander Oct75 J4970 Kildwick Class 45 up Waverley Edinburgh to St Pancras Sept 67 J1154 caption corrected, it wasn't the Thames Clyde! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2013 10001 at Brighton is delightfully filthy. Was it temporarily out of use at the time? If you weathered one like that some people would probably point out that they are always clean in contemporary photos. Pete I am fairly sure that all the early diesels spent periods out of service, possibly waiting for parts, but as I have only a very approximate date for the photo I cannot say with any certainty what the specific circumstances were in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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