RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) I've looked at the 1969 ScR sectional appendix and the maximum is indeed 75mph, even for Edinburgh-Glasgow Queen St. Both WCML and ECML are 90mph until they hit the border, then it's brakes on for 75mph. I think 90mph might first have happened with the cl.27 push-pulls (with their disc-braked coaches)? Edited February 6, 2017 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I've looked at the 1969 ScR sectional appendix and the maximum is indeed 75mph, even for Edinburgh-Glasgow Queen St. Both WCML and ECML are 90mph until they hit the border, then it's brakes on for 75mph. I think 90mph might first have happened with the cl.27 push-pulls (with their disc-braked coaches)? Caveat - all speeds below are approximate, calculated by the "rail beats in x seconds" method on jointed track. Those may have been official limits, but they certainly weren't rigorously adhered to. Between 1964 and 1966, I recorded: - 90+ behind an EE Type 4 between Beattock Summit and Beattock station - 80+ behind a Fairburn tank between Langbank and Parklea - 85+ behind a Standard 5 between Georgetown and Bishopton, and again between Bishopton Tunnel and Woodhall - 80+ behind a Standard 4 tank between a start from Hillington East and Shields No 2 (that was really exciting, bordering on worrying!) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcent Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I've looked at the 1969 ScR sectional appendix and the maximum is indeed 75mph, even for Edinburgh-Glasgow Queen St. Both WCML and ECML are 90mph until they hit the border, then it's brakes on for 75mph. I think 90mph might first have happened with the cl.27 push-pulls (with their disc-braked coaches)? My logs show frequent maxima of 80+ behind standard or Fairburn class 4 tanks, often on the Joint line to Paisley, or on the line beyond there to Kilwinning.The Aberdeen expresses also used to achieve this, often on the Forfar to Perth run, with an A4. Most exciting was 83mph on the Kirkudbright branch with a Fairburn tank going bunker first. My first 90 was on the descent from Neilston to Barrhead behind a class 40 diesel with a relief London express, in 1963. Of course those were the days of rail joints! Allan F 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think 90mph might first have happened with the cl.27 push-pulls (with their disc-braked coaches)? By this i meant official maximum speed limit - of course, what happened unofficially is often more interesting! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) While I realise it's a bit late and all, it may still prove of interest: until 1962 the following blanket maximum speed limits applied to mainlines on the Regions of British Railways: Eastern - 90mph North Eastern - 90mph London Midland - 90mph Southern - 85mph Scottish - 75mph Western - technically none until a blanket 90mph limit was introduced in 1965. From 1962 two 100mph sections were introduced on the ECML within England. I am fairly certain that official over 75mph running was introduced in Scotland with the advent of the 90mph Class 27 Edinburgh to Glasgow shuttles. As a side note some pretty high speeds were attained with the A4s on the Glasgow Aberdeen runs, 80 mph was quite common between Perth and Stirling, particularly downhill from Gleneagles or Dunblane, while on the Strathmore route proper I have seen a timing log that shows a run from Forfar to Perth where Perth was reached in 27 mins 32 seconds against the booked 32 mins for the 32.5 miles, with speeds of up to 92mph attained through Coupar Angus! Edited February 24, 2017 by hexagon789 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 BSK FK RU 3*SK BSK BG PMV(MX) XFISH(SX) On this, the fish van is for Bristol and is detached at Stirling, going forward on a Euston service Actually, I'm assuming they mean XFISH (6-whl) and not just FISH (4-whl) as there doesn't seem to be any other meaning for the 'X' as listed Can I ask what the (MX) and (SX) mean? (This thread has become a valuable resource for the Aberdeen Model Railway Club, of which I am a member, and we're starting to replicate some of these formations - or, at least, the ones we understand!) Thanks, Gavin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer27jd Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Can I ask what the (MX) and (SX) mean? (This thread has become a valuable resource for the Aberdeen Model Railway Club, of which I am a member, and we're starting to replicate some of these formations - or, at least, the ones we understand!) Thanks, Gavin Mondays excepted and Saturdays excepted, indicating the vehicle will not run on this day. The opposite would be MO and SO, being Mondays and Saturdays only. Edited March 22, 2017 by sulzer27jd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If you'd care for a scan of the 1962 Summer Timetable for Glasgow (Buchanan Street), Stirling, Perth, Forfar and Aberdeen, let me know. Or a list of observed formations that differ from the booked ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Laurencekirk with some A4s rushing through on 3 hour expresses will be on display at our show this weekend. This will it's first outing since the buildings were completed and signals installed. 24 and 25 June 2017, Dewars Centre, Perth. 40 layouts and another 60 trade and society stands. Edited June 21, 2017 by Waverley47708 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Scottish Region Carriage workings winter 1964-65 Courtesy of Robert Carroll's excellent website. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wNtUp2bp_eZDRsRXFrOURZeFU/view Includes 3 hour expresses. In case you are interested full list of what's available, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7wNtUp2bp_eZDRsRXFrOURZeFU/view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Bit late to the party on this subject. Is there anymore information on the work the St Rollox pair of A4s mainly did. I presume the early Aberdeen 3hr and tea time return for one loco. If the pair were available there has been mention elsewhere of a Dundee and return. On a side note does anyone have records of Kingmoor allocated Duchess's at Ferryhill?? Thanks Claggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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