RMweb Premium 7013 Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2014 I am trying to get my head round the question of unrefurbished and refurbished 37 sounds, I have three 37s which are:- 37196 ''Tre Pol and Pen' in grey with red stripe 37207 'William Cookworthy' in blue 37521 in grey with red stripe I thought that the first two were unrefurbished, and the third refurbished but I may be wrong and would be happy to be corrected. Looking at Howes unrefurbished sound decoders it states that F0 lights (not fitted to this loco), however my 37s have lights. Does this mean if I buy the unrefurbished Howes 37 decoders I would not be able to switch the lights on? If that is the case should I get unrefurbished 37 sound decoders from another source where the lights can be switched on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
55016 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 You're quite correct in that 37196 and 37207 are both 'unrefurbished' EE type 3s whilst 37521 is refurbished. As far as I recall my Howes sound decoder in unrefurbished 37 (base Bachmann model 37251) switches lights on and off.....if I ever get back from a now defunct 'respray' specialist I'll let you know!!! In simple terms anything 370xx, 371xx, 372xx & 37xxx are unrefurbished 37s ("37/0") as built with generators. Those with series 374xx, 375xx and 376xx are refurbished versions with alternators instead of generators. 379xx all experimental re-engined 37s..... Hope that helps, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 The site might be quoting the Bachmann 2nd edition 37s that did not have lights,I have 37207 fitted with SWD sounds, also I have some Zimo 37 sounds from Digitrains and they usually work out a fair bit cheaper, also good for updates on your Roco Z21, but in my opinion just as good as Howes.Though I do like to use different manufacturers sounds just for the variety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted January 2, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2014 Thanks gentlemen, I have sent an email to Howes to ask them about the lights on their unrefurbished decoders. The reason I quoted Howes in the first place was because I live near their shop, I am fairly new to 37s being mostly a steam person and therefore am not au fait with the qualities of different suppliers of the decoder sounds for 37s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Also, the Digitrain's ZIMO Class 37 has both refurbished and non-refurbished, selectable, on the same decoder. It will switch your LEDs on F0 and cab lights with F8 (if they have lights fitted). And if you have been following the saga on another thread, will ramp up and spool down without playing the loop sounds in either direction, but only when you want it to do so, not everytime. As brittannia pointed out, your Z21 has the capability to update ZIMO decoder software and even load sound projects, a facility not to be ignored. However close to Howes you live, the postman will be able to find you if you buy from any of the other highly respected sources of Class 37 sound decoders. Here's something to consider, Howes ESU Class 37 £117, contains 7 sounds in addition to engine sounds DC Kits ESU Class 37 £105.49, including postage, contains 15 soundsin addition to engine sounds SWD ESU Class 37 £96 contents not quoted on website, but the author produced r-t-r sounds for Bachmann Digitrains Zimo Class 37 £92 including postage and speaker, contains 15 sounds in addition to the engine sounds Hornby Class 37 £25 (if they become available separately) up to 16 additional sounds promised Good luck with your choice. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 Thanks gentlemen, I have sent an email to Howes to ask them about the lights on their unrefurbished decoders. i've emailed bryan directly for you with your question however i've got both refurb and unrefurb howes 37s and both work lights, i'm also pretty sure they have more than 7 additional sounds as pointed out by pauliebanger, again something i've asked bryan to clarify i'll post up here when i get an answer for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Just confirming this: the Howes unrefurbished sound decoder does work the lights on F0. I have this decoder fitted to a Bachmann 'Dutch' liveried 37 035. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 i'm also pretty sure they have more than 7 additional sounds as pointed out by pauliebanger, again something i've asked bryan to clarify I counted them from the description on Howes website. Maybe it's out of date? But that's all I have to go on for now. Here's the list, I've put an asterix next to each sound I can see: Below is a list of the Function keys and their assignments applicable to this model. F1. Sound on/off F2. Horn 1 – double tone * F3. Horn 2 – double tone * F4. Single horn * F5. Buffering up * F6. Coupling up * F7. Flange squeal, continuous until function button is re-pressed * F8. Wagon ‘clash’ during shunting * F9. Accelleration/Decelleration. Press once to over ride, press again to cancel. F10. Shunting mode. Press once the loco goes slowly press again and you are back to normal control. F11. Aux 1 F12. Aux 2 F0. Lights on/off (not fitted on this loco) Kind regards, Paul Howes website has subsequently been updated, see below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Here's the list for Digitrains' Class 37: F Key Function/Sound 0 Lights 1 Sound On/Off 2 High Horn 3 Low Horn 4 Dual Horn 5 Light Engine 6 Engine Idle 7 Coupling 8 Function Output 1 (Aux 1) 9 Flange Squeal 10 Brake Release (Also an automatic sound) 11 Brake Squeal (Also an automatic sound) 12 Door slam and switches 13 Unlock Driving Desk 14 Fire bell 15 Cooler Group Fan 16 Compressor (Also a randomly generated sound) 17 Guard’s whistle 18 Spirax Valves 19 Fade All Sounds 20 Shunt Mode 21 Function Outputs 3 and 4 (Aux 3 and 4) Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2014 Spoke to bryan about the howes website, apparently it was updated with the wrong info, it should be right now though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Also, the Digitrain's ZIMO Class 37 has both refurbished and non-refurbished, selectable, on the same decoder. It will switch your LEDs on F0 and cab lights with F8 (if they have lights fitted). And if you have been following the saga on another thread, will ramp up and spool down without playing the loop sounds in either direction, but only when you want it to do so, not everytime. As brittannia pointed out, your Z21 has the capability to update ZIMO decoder software and even load sound projects, a facility not to be ignored. However close to Howes you live, the postman will be able to find you if you buy from any of the other highly respected sources of Class 37 sound decoders. Here's something to consider, Howes ESU Class 37 £117, contains 7 sounds in addition to engine sounds DC Kits ESU Class 37 £105.49, including postage, contains 15 soundsin addition to engine sounds SWD ESU Class 37 £96 contents not quoted on website, but the author produced r-t-r sounds for Bachmann Digitrains Zimo Class 37 £92 including postage and speaker, contains 15 sounds in addition to the engine sounds Hornby Class 37 £25 (if they become available separately) up to 16 additional sounds promised Good luck with your choice. Paul The DCKits/Legomanbiffo Class 37 Project comes in three versions, 37/4 ETH (Electric Train Heating), 37/0 Non ETH & 37/9 Mirlees Engines and features: Multi Starts (3) Playable Horns (2) & Speed Dependant Automatic wheel/flange squeal, these & others can be sampled on the website, attached are the links: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 In fairness to Howes, the details I posted earlier were correctly quoted from an incorrectly updated web page. In fairness to all the other retailers, I forgot to add the postage to Howes prices, which at 5.95 takes the total to £123.45 Howes latest Function list: F0. Lights on/off (if fitted on model)F1. Sound on/offF2. Horn 1 – double tone a *F3. Horn 2 – double tone b *F4. Horn 3 – single tone *F5. Buffer up *F6. Coupling up *F7. Flange squeal *F8. Wheel/track ‘groan’ *F9. Brake release *F10. Blower fan *F11. Air ‘tick’ *F12. Guards whistle *F13. Shunting mode. Press once the loco goes slowly press again and you are back to normal control.F14. Acceleration/Deceleration. Press once to over ride, press again to cancelF15. Aux 1 – cab light if applicable So that's 11 sounds in addition to engine sounds. Thanks to big jim for giving the opportunity to make these amendments. Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47707 Holyrood Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Just confirming this: the Howes unrefurbished sound decoder does work the lights on F0. I have this decoder fitted to a Bachmann 'Dutch' liveried 37 035. That has already answered the question i was going to ask! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted March 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2014 If it helps, I fitted a SWD sound decoder to my Vitrains 37 (very easy to do). While it sounded good, it was undrivable on my short end to end layout. SWD were no help, so I got Howes to reblow it. I'm very happy with it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassey jones Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 If it helps, I fitted a SWD sound decoder to my Vitrains 37 (very easy to do). While it sounded good, it was undrivable on my short end to end layout. SWD were no help, so I got Howes to reblow it. I'm very happy with it now. For driving... You really need to try one of these...... http://www.digitrains.co.uk/ecommerce/search/zs37d-class-37-ee-all-type-digidrive.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Most of my 37 fleet are Legomanbiffo sounds,both 37/0 and 37/4 realy impressed with them,ive just bought the 37/9 off him too Very pleased with this one!! Im also using few zimo 37/4 sounds,which are impressive.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunmar Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 For driving... You really need to try one of these...... http://www.digitrains.co.uk/ecommerce/search/zs37d-class-37-ee-all-type-digidrive.aspx Hi, I have excellent drive - ability on Kinlochewe with Loksound V4 from Howes and Biffo . Try altering CV5 = 100 or 60 and CV6 = 30. What you get is " ramp up " in about 18" - Brilliant ! Bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassey jones Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Hi, I have excellent drive - ability on Kinlochewe with Loksound V4 from Howes and Biffo . Try altering CV5 = 100 or 60 and CV6 = 30. What you get is " ramp up " in about 18" - Brilliant ! Bill. Yes, but you don't get instant ramp up or down and coast at 18 then19 and back to 18 - you have to do it via speed step the V4. I have biffs 37 's and I used to have Howes 37. The latest Zimo digidrive 37 - really is the ultimate' instant' drivable 37 currently available..........the control is truly amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunmar Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Yes, but you don't get instant ramp up or down and coast at 18 then19 and back to 18 - you have to do it via speed step the V4. I have biffs 37 's and I used to have Howes 37. The latest Zimo digidrive 37 - really is the ultimate' instant' drivable 37 currently available..........the control is truly amazing. Hi, Beg to differ here ! As soon as it hits speed step 7 - yes 7 - it ramps up to full power and as soon as you drop back to speed step 6 it drops back to coast ! whilst still going at scale speed. If thats what you mean having to use speed steps - then thak you very much - that will do nicely please. I do agree I have several Zimo ' digidrive and the control is superb and more recently a " Biff " Cravens 105 which is awesome ! As my layout is a short end to end I cant afford to have the loco racing off down the track. Bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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