charliepetty Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The livery design work has started this week, comments and suggestions welcomed. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robf Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 How about one with Exmouth - Paignton and one with Bristol TM - Cardiff Central. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I'm sure you'll do a cracking job as usual - i'll also second Exmouth/Paignton (Random thought - I think on the real ones it won't be a different one each end due to the reversal, suspect it will say "Exmouth" both ends for instance?) Edited January 7, 2014 by Glorious NSE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
82C Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 As a poor soul who has to work on these machines, I'd like to order one. Is there a fought eta and price as yet? I saw a Northern 144 in my local model shop the other day, one word stunning ! Great Western Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robf Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Here are some shots of 618 and 619. 143618 Bristol TM 110609 by robfrowen, on Flickr 143618 Severn Beach 280511 by robfrowen, on Flickr 143619 Dawlish 230911 by robfrowen, on Flickr 143619 Exeter Central 230811 by robfrowen, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I concure with Exmouth/Paignton and whatever the Bristol lot want! A quick question- If it is possible to remove them from the model easily would it be possible for the destinations to be made available as a spare? If they are difficult to remove then it wouldnt be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 I concure with Exmouth/Paignton and whatever the Bristol lot want! A quick question- If it is possible to remove them from the model easily would it be possible for the destinations to be made available as a spare? If they are difficult to remove then it wouldnt be worth it. The Blinds are tampo printed on the Inside of the Glazing, sorry. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Moved from Arriva Wales 143 thread. Godfrey, Yes they do run to Barnstaple, often in pairs even during off peak hours! Under Wessex trains they were not permitted up the Barnstaple Branch but then they Bristol based and didn't venture beyond Taunton all that often. Having said that also under Wessex trains one 143 did make it all the way to Penzance, I think having started from Bristol, where it gained a Kernow flag car sticker on one cab which remained for a few years possible up until it was refurbished Also (off topic slightly) but it appears 142001 still carries it Devon sticker on one end in service with Northern! I have been on 143620 from Plymouth to Penzance on the 1114 service (it was a 150 from Bristol which failed at Exeter and was replaced with the 143) on Sunday 22 November 2009 where we caught the last SWT service from Penzance back to Plymouth with 158886. Quite a good day out. Edit, they do indeed go to Barnstaple normally 2 together but single units do get used up there occasionally. Example- PM256 143621- 0823 Paignton-Exmouth 0953 Exmouth-Barnstaple 1143 Barnstaple-Exmouth 1323 Exmouth-Paignton. This is a snippet of the diagram to show that single 143 do go to Barnstaple. Edited January 8, 2014 by royaloak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Blinds are tampo printed on the Inside of the Glazing, sorry. Charlie Okay thanks. I was just thinking, it shows how good the models are that all we can try and 'improve' is the destinations! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'm surprised we haven't had models with turnable (manually or by DCC!) destination blinds by now. After all Corgi were making Aston Martins with revolving numberplates 50 years ago! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hmmm, pacers with machine guns... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I had a go at stratching the destination blinds on my 144 when I had the top off to fit dcc sound. The blind comes away in bits and can be done gently without damaging the window. I put replacements on and while not 100% authentic they show somewhere closer to where my layout is based. Hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It does thanks but I think I will be doing some proper modelling on some cheaper stuff before I touch a 143 or 144, I am from the Lima generation so these new models are just a little bit more complicated/delicate than I am used to and I am not particularly confident in disassembling them yet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) As someone who has worked these around Bristol, I would be very happy to see Devon destinations on the blinds. . However, a different one at each end is acceptable on a model. I know some will argue for the same at each end, but my argument is that if you are looking at the back of the train to see where it's going, you've missed it.(platform 1 at BTM accepted) So how about Bristol temple Meads-Avonmouth(or Severn Beach) or Bristol Parkway-Weston super Mare, or even Cardiff-Exeter St Davids, 2C77 13:00 off Cardiff was always a 143 until they were moved away from Bristol. As a matter of interest, how easy is it to get in and change them yourself. edit: Just read how they are done. How about a non-multi notice on one end? Edited January 26, 2014 by JZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I think one set with Exeter based destinations and the other with Bristol area ones is best from a company perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 As someone who has worked these around Bristol, I would be very happy to see Devon destinations on the blinds. . However, a different one at each end is acceptable on a model. I know some will argue for the same at each end, but my argument is that if you are looking at the back of the train to see where it's going, you've missed it.(platform 1 at BTM accepted) So how about Bristol temple Meads-Avonmouth(or Severn Beach) or Bristol Parkway-Weston super Mare, or even Cardiff-Exeter St Davids, 2C77 13:00 off Cardiff was always a 143 until they were moved away from Bristol. As a matter of interest, how easy is it to get in and change them yourself. If you're standing at Exeter St Davids though, the front of the train will become the back of the train... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Samples of the Livery artwork is progressing, see attached: 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Samples of the Livery artwork is progressing, see attached: Finalising the First Great Western liveries, now the next batch of 144s have been shipped! We have as follows: First Great Western: 143618 DMS Car (No Toilet) 55659 DMSL Car (With Toilet) 55684 DMS Destination Blind: Paignton (White with black lettering) DMSL Destination Blind: Exmouth (White with black lettering) 143619 DMS Car (No Toilet) 55660 DMSL Car (With Toilet) 55685 DMS Destination Blind: Bristol TM (Black with yellow lettering) DMSL Destination Blind: Severn Beach (White with black lettering) HOPE YOUR HAPPY! Charlie 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beacon Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Sounds good to me - looking forward to it already! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg201 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Looking excellent, upon that information I have pre-ordered my 143618 with you Charlie and Arran! Now do let me know when I can buy another 143 off you in Wessex Trains "Visit Bristol" livery 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted April 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2014 Finalising the First Great Western liveries, now the next batch of 144s have been shipped! We have as follows: First Great Western: 143618 DMS Car (No Toilet) 55659 DMSL Car (With Toilet) 55684 143619 DMS Car (No Toilet) 55660 DMSL Car (With Toilet) 55685 Are the vehicle numbers correct? I don't have a book to hand to check, but shouldn't the numbers of each type of car go up in twos (even or odd)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie inexile Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 There were 25 Class 143 built and they were originally numbered 143 001 to 143 025 and were renumbered 143 601 to143 625 in the early 1990s. The DMS numbers have not changed, they start at 55642 (143 601) and run sequentially to 55666 (143 625), DMSL numbers have also not changed, they start at 55667 (143 601 and run sequentially to 55691 (143 625). It can be seen that the DMS and DMSL have separate number blocks but that they differ by 25 i.e. the number of sets built. Therefore to answer your 2 questions; 1. Are the numbers correct - YES 2. Shouldn't the numbers of each type of car go up in twos? - NO. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dale159 Posted April 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) There were 25 Class 143 built and they were originally numbered 143 001 to 143 025 and were renumbered 143 601 to143 625 in the early 1990s. The DMS numbers have not changed, they start at 55642 (143 601) and run sequentially to 55666 (143 625), DMSL numbers have also not changed, they start at 55667 (143 601 and run sequentially to 55691 (143 625). It can be seen that the DMS and DMSL have separate number blocks but that they differ by 25 i.e. the number of sets built. Therefore to answer your 2 questions; 1. Are the numbers correct - YES 2. Shouldn't the numbers of each type of car go up in twos? - NO. John 2 FGW sets (603 and 617) and 2 ATW sets (602 and 610 spring to mind but not 100% sure on those) have had swapped DMSL coaches and have been as they are now for many years, possibly reformed as far back as regional railways days maybe as a result of collision damage or one coach from each set suffering a major failure resulting in a hybrid being formed which as never been corrected once all vehicles were returned to service. And of course both 143613 under Wessex Trains and 143615 under Valley Lines both suffered terminal fires about 10 years ago now and have been scrapped s a result. Dale Edited April 14, 2014 by dale159 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Hope so! They were when I was at Bristol & Exeter. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-b Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Hello Great livery, am looking forward to ordering one of these. Rough idea on delivery date? Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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