RMweb Gold mabel Posted January 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi all, Im looking for info on freight flows through (or to) Westbury in late 80's if anyone can help. Thanks M 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 7, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2014 Stone from the mendips. Coal to the cement works. Cement from the cement works. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Is 1985 too early? If not, some lesser-known options: Steel in various "tented" vacuum-braked wagons Assorted AB freight including UKF fertiliser vans, VEAs wagons for/from repair near Frome (can't recall the name of the wagon works offhand) 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2014 Marcroft Wagon works 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2014 The steel traffic shown was probably the Hamworthy flow, this lasted well into Railfreight days using a variety AB steel carriers. The mixed freight looks like the Severn Tunnel / Eastleigh (normally lots of military traffic on that one). The Rail Liner IIRC was used on traffic originating from a furniture manufacturer in the Froome area so it would have been a familiar sight around Westbury.??? Additionally there was (is) some flows of oil from Fawley. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted January 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2014 Excellent e/wdivide. Thats exactly the kind of info I am looking for. Nice pic of the unique Railiner ..... Another stalled project of mine! The period Im (trying) to model is mid to late 80's up to demise of Speedlink. Your '85 pics fit just nicely Ta M 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted January 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2014 griffgriff I think the oil was 6v62...... there is a website dedicated to that specific train logging all the motive power for each train from late 80's up to date.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Another thought - wasn't there also bitumen or something similar to the Frome area, for treating stone to make tarmac? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Chambers Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Another thought - wasn't there also bitumen or something similar to the Frome area, for treating stone to make tarmac? During the 70s when I was working on the infant East Somerset Railway, there was a bitumen unloading facility at Cranmore station.My memory is hazy(surprise) but I seem to remember the tanks being hauled by class 25s.The facility had probably disappeared by the period in question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Exeter/St Blazey to Dover China clay in Polybulks. Normally called by Cl 47 but frequently a Cl 50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 During the 70s when I was working on the infant East Somerset Railway, there was a bitumen unloading facility at Cranmore station.My memory is hazy(surprise) but I seem to remember the tanks being hauled by class 25s.The facility had probably disappeared by the period in question. There were bitumen terminals at both Cranmore and Frome. Cranmore was Anglo-American Asphalt (lasting until at least 1984), whilst Frome was Mobil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Found some notes from my photos above, 19/7/1985: Other freight trains included 56051 on Yeoman PHAs (178xx series) 56039 on Yeoman PGAs (140xx, 141xx, 143xx 144xx series) 47144+31108 arrived with engineers wagons, ZKV ex-iron ore tipplers, a crane, and some CPV presflos) 56068 with ARC PGAs (146xx series mostly) 47294 mixed AB freight: Esso TTAs 560xx series, PCAs incl some STS106xx series, BDAs, MOD flat and well wagons, a VEA, VDA, ODA, OAA, OCA and some HEA hoppers on the avoiding line, 2x56s with Yeoman PTAs The railiner was in a train with 47247, TRL6950 railiner, two Distillers CO2 STS53269/67, VTG bogie van DB 279 7 030 and another TTA STS53130 (one of the Sittingbourne Clayliner tanks). I'd guess this train came from the wagon works. 37154 with an engineers train: crane+match wagon and some Turbots 56057 on Yeoman PGAs 47242 on the Tilbury PGAs (TBR14500 series) In the yard: ARC PTA bogie wagons in the PR268xx series ARC PGAs - various cement tanks being shunted incl PCB APCM90xx and PCA STS10640/43 hope that helps. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Concerning the Rail-liner: it may have just been for repair at Radstock, as it was mainly used for bagged china-clay traffic. 'Bent Chairs' of Frome did have a one-off air-braked van, but it had solid, rather than 'Tautliner' sides- these had an arrangement of cupboard doors, which apparently caused problems in the Severn Tunnel when they flew open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) This search only finds a proportion of the westbury photos on my site http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=westbury Some 117 163 photos to be getting on with. Ben chairs here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/benchairs Railiner http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/trlrailiner Regards Paul Edited March 5, 2021 by hmrspaul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2014 There were bitumen terminals at both Cranmore and Frome. Cranmore was Anglo-American Asphalt (lasting until at least 1984), whilst Frome was Mobil. The Frome and Cranmore traffic originated at Thamesside/Ripple Lane and was tripped forward from Westbury with a drop at Frome enroute to Witham whence the Cranmore traffic was worked up the branch. The reason for working forward from Witham was the need to split the train depending on whatever loco was used as both the Class 25s and Class 31s that got involved after the Hymeks had gone were relatively gutless machines which couldn't manage more than a (small) handful of tanks on the gradient up from Merehead Quarry Jcn, Things worked far better when a Type 4 diesel was used although some of the curvature at Cranmore was rather unsuited to a Class45/46 and in any case it was an awkward place to shunt with tendency for tank cars to get derailed or even - on one occasion - finish up so far from the route one had supposed to take through the pointwork as to make it impossible to work out how it had got there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Westbury was, and is, one of the most interesting locations in the West Country for freight traffic. Many of the traffic flows from the 1980s have been mentioned. The Furzebrook - Avonmouth LPG trains of TTA tanks were sometimes routed that way. Here are a few more pictures of freight passing through Westbury. Seen arriving at Salisbury is 7O42 Severn Tunnel Junction - Eastleigh Speedlink, which had previously called at Westbury. The formation is 47235, 2 warwells (?), 5 VEAs, 2 TTAs, 2 OBAs, 3 HEAs, etc, 17/7/85 08949 heads back to Westbury with a trip from the cement works, some of the PCAs may be flyash empties heading for Longannet, 17/7/85 47192 passes through Westbury with BPO tanks, 17/7/85 cheers 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Those are Warwells; the load may be two of these:- https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Humber+Pig&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HljNUruwJoSM7AbLzICoCg&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=784 There's one on E-Bay at present.. Edited January 9, 2014 by Fat Controller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Westbury was, and is, one of the most interesting locations in the West Country for freight traffic. Seen arriving at Salisbury is 7O42 Severn Tunnel Junction - Eastleigh Speedlink, which had previously called at Westbury. The formation is 47235, 2 warwells (?), 5 VEAs, 2 TTAs, 2 OBAs, 3 HEAs, etc, 17/7/85 ... Just two days before me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2014 Those are Warwells; the load are two of these:- https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Humber+Pig&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HljNUruwJoSM7AbLzICoCg&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=784 There's one on E-Bay at present.. Humber 'Pigs' were certainly common on that service but are they not 'Saxons' in this instance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Just two days before me! There was good weather that week, I was on leave taking photos, on the Friday I went to Knottingley. Here is another, later, shot of the steel train taken in 1986 at Salisbury. 6O99 Llanwern - Hamworthy is seen at Salisbury East approaching Fisherton Tunnel behind 47236. Over the years various steel carrying wagons appeared on this service, these are shochoods, 16/6/86 And 3 views of 6V79 Eastleigh - Severn Tunnel Junction Speedlink service, first arriving at Westbury behind 47156 and then after remarshalling it is seen departing Westbury at Hawkeridge, 16/6/86. 6V79 arrives at Westbury, the wagons appear to be 5 PCAs, 3 ??? with military vehicles, 1 BDA, 1 VEA, etc 6V79 departs Westbury after remarshalling, passing Hawkeridge Junction. Formed 1 BDA, 1 VEA, 1 ODA(?), 1 BDA, 4 ODA, 1 VEA, 1 VDA, 6 TTAs ex Quidhampton (?), 4 TTAs discharged bitumen ex Frome, 16/6/86 can anyone ID any other traffic on 6V79? cheers edit - to add an extre photo Edited January 9, 2014 by Rivercider 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mabel Posted January 10, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2014 Paul, thanks for posting the links, unfortunately the computer at work wont let me view your site(s)...... Must get internet sorted at home! Thanks to everyone for taking the time to post pics and details. Big help. M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Any more super photos!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 There was good weather that week, I was on leave taking photos, on the Friday I went to Knottingley. Here is another, later, shot of the steel train taken in 1986 at Salisbury. scan0025a.jpg 6O99 Llanwern - Hamworthy is seen at Salisbury East approaching Fisherton Tunnel behind 47236. Over the years various steel carrying wagons appeared on this service, these are shochoods, 16/6/86 And 3 views of 6V79 Eastleigh - Severn Tunnel Junction Speedlink service, first arriving at Westbury behind 47156 and then after remarshalling it is seen departing Westbury at Hawkeridge, 16/6/86. scan0026a.jpg 6V79 arrives at Westbury, the wagons appear to be 5 PCAs, 3 ??? with military vehicles, 1 BDA, 1 VEA, etc scan0028a.jpg scan0027a.jpg 6V79 departs Westbury after remarshalling, passing Hawkeridge Junction. Formed 1 BDA, 1 VEA, 1 ODA(?), 1 BDA, 4 ODA, 1 VEA, 1 VDA, 6 TTAs ex Quidhampton (?), 4 TTAs discharged bitumen ex Frome, 16/6/86 can anyone ID any other traffic on 6V79? cheers edit - to add an extre photo The china clay slurry TTA's ex-Quidhampton (or possibly Burngallow) were probably heading for Bowaters at Sittingbourne, which was a weekly, sometimes twice-weekly flow. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djcwey Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 With regards to military traffic, it might be worth mentioning that Issue 2 of Military Vehicle Magazine priced at £2.99 contains a 1/72 model of a Warrior MCV80. Although the model enclosed in the magazine carries sand camo circa 2003 Iraq, it's still quite good value and should be an easy enough job to repaint, whilst it saves having to make a kit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Some great pictures, very useful. Just the kind of trains I'd like to run on my layout when it's finally built. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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