RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2014 The whole issue of scrapping steam is fraught with recording problems This site http://www.whatreallyhappenedtosteam.co.uk/download-what-really-happened-to-steam-articles.htm is a mine of interest - including a picture and further details of the Shelf sidings dump I alluded to earlier Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2014 This is a fascinating topic. I remember that there were some withdrawn or stored locos at Skipton, i believe some Tilbury tanks that had been sent to Scotland but weren't wanted and only got as far as Skipton on the way back. The last clan was at Kingmoor ready for withdrawal when i got a tour of the shed in 1966. I think it was 72007. Apart from thet there are two things that intrigue me. a) What was the last movement of a steam loco under it's own steam in the general steam era. I suspect it was at Lostock Hall on the morning of the 12th of August 68. b) When were the last steam locos removed from theri sheds for scrap. I know that several weren't scrapped until the early part of 1969. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 This is a fascinating topic. I remember that there were some withdrawn or stored locos at Skipton, i believe some Tilbury tanks that had been sent to Scotland but weren't wanted and only got as far as Skipton on the way back. The last clan was at Kingmoor ready for withdrawal when i got a tour of the shed in 1966. I think it was 72007. Apart from thet there are two things that intrigue me. a) What was the last movement of a steam loco under it's own steam in the general steam era. I suspect it was at Lostock Hall on the morning of the 12th of August 68. B) When were the last steam locos removed from theri sheds for scrap. I know that several weren't scrapped until the early part of 1969. Jamie Weren't some steam locos kept as stationary boilers after everything else from their sheds had been scrapped? That's how the loco that is my avatar came to survive though it was heating fuel oil for ferries on a quayside that saved it from Gertie's French cousin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2014 This is a fascinating topic. I remember that there were some withdrawn or stored locos at Skipton, i believe some Tilbury tanks that had been sent to Scotland but weren't wanted and only got as far as Skipton on the way back. The last clan was at Kingmoor ready for withdrawal when i got a tour of the shed in 1966. I think it was 72007. Apart from thet there are two things that intrigue me. a) What was the last movement of a steam loco under it's own steam in the general steam era. I suspect it was at Lostock Hall on the morning of the 12th of August 68. B) When were the last steam locos removed from theri sheds for scrap. I know that several weren't scrapped until the early part of 1969. Jamie Hi Jamie The Sulzer type 2 site at http://derbysulzers.com/69.html quotes 1969: "The clear out of the remaining steam locomotives continued at a somewhat pedantic pace, at the beginning of March Lostock Hall shed still contained twelve machines. However March 10th saw 5238 remove 44713, 44950, 45073 & 45269 to Drapers, Hull, whilst sixteen days later 5262 followed with 44874, 45318, 45386 & 45444. The last machines there, 44894, 45017 & 45388 remained until late April when they moved on to Drapers, Hull, haulage unrecorded, this move was the last of any non-preserved standard gauge steam engines to leave a BR shed." Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 92912 Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 This is a fascinating topic. I remember that there were some withdrawn or stored locos at Skipton, i believe some Tilbury tanks that had been sent to Scotland but weren't wanted and only got as far as Skipton on the way back. The last clan was at Kingmoor ready for withdrawal when i got a tour of the shed in 1966. I think it was 72007. Apart from thet there are two things that intrigue me. a) What was the last movement of a steam loco under it's own steam in the general steam era. I suspect it was at Lostock Hall on the morning of the 12th of August 68. B) When were the last steam locos removed from theri sheds for scrap. I know that several weren't scrapped until the early part of 1969. Jamie 73050 ran under its own power to Peterborough after the steam ban was started, according wikipedia it was on 20th September http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Standard_Class_5_73050 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 fAmong the stored locos at Carnforth was 92091, we called in on the way to or from a Scottish holiday, the last one I went with my parents on. Found a picture of it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/7851310602/ Rather appropriate as it was the first loco I have a memory of as a 3-4 year old at Nottingham Vic. Always had a soft spot for the 9Fs, must have created quite an impression. Standing on platform 7 and this huge loco heading straight towards you around the slight curve at the North end! Still remember it getting on for 60 years later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 One of the last ( if not the last) loco in BR service which was built for the S&DJR awaits it's fate in Cashmore's yard, Great Bridge on a miserable November day in 1967. I was balancing on a electrical relay box by the old SSR line while taking this pic to get a good view over the yard fence, on the same day the goods yard at Great Bridge (LMS) station was full of locos recent brought down from the north west including Patricroft shed, waiting entrance into this scrap yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 fAmong the stored locos at Carnforth was 92091, we called in on the way to or from a Scottish holiday, the last one I went with my parents on. Found a picture of it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/7851310602/ Rather appropriate as it was the first loco I have a memory of as a 3-4 year old at Nottingham Vic. Always had a soft spot for the 9Fs, must have created quite an impression. Standing on platform 7 and this huge loco heading straight towards you around the slight curve at the North end! Still remember it getting on for 60 years later I took a school transport Society trip to Carnforth that spring. I think it was the February and Scotsman and Cromwell appeared on two specials run for William Deacons bank. I well remember he long lines of stored locos at the north end of the shed. There were, IIRC two strange incidents at carnforth that spring. One was a black five that ran away towards Barrow while bein prepared for duty and got quite a long way along the coast line before it ran out of steam. The other was one of the 9F's had the rear secdtion of its coupling rods removed and spent ot's final month or so running round as a 2-8-2. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I took a school transport Society trip to Carnforth that spring. I think it was the February and Scotsman and Cromwell appeared on two specials run for William Deacons bank. I well remember he long lines of stored locos at the north end of the shed. There were, IIRC two strange incidents at carnforth that spring. One was a black five that ran away towards Barrow while bein prepared for duty and got quite a long way along the coast line before it ran out of steam. The other was one of the 9F's had the rear secdtion of its coupling rods removed and spent ot's final month or so running round as a 2-8-2. Jamie You mean this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6963715462/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2014 You mean this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6963715462/ Yep that's the one. Thanks Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Death Steam was (is) not just UK, I recall a line of stored Beyer Garratt's at Livingstone, Zambia in 1974 where there was also the Zambezi Sawmills Rwy depot where the locos were disappearing into the bush.I photo'd those but the security was too nervy to get near the Beyers, there were cross border tensions with Rhodesia & I was only 14.Remember hearing a Beyer hauled train but not seeing it! Lots more international Death Steam.... Dava Fast forward to 1982. Independance has come about across the border (albeit a very fragile peace), Rhodesia Railways has become National Railways of Zimbabwe, who have embarked on a programme of rehabilitation and return to service of their Beyer Garratts. Meanwhile security remains tight in Zambia and photography of its railways officially prohibited. Steam lingers on - just (as it will do for nearly another decade) at Livingstone Shed, in the form of a couple of spare locomotives kept serviceable, but without diagrammed duties. Unauthorised shed visits are just too obvious and too risky, but the "stored" locomotives continue to moulder away, and some are near enough to the road and in reach of a family on foot who've left their hire car parked on the other side of the Falls. 12th class no. 202 and 16A no. 622. Sadly, and to the best of my knowledge neither of these locomotives has survived, although one 12th class from the Livingstone allocation remains operation with a tourist train operation in Livingstone. (I hope that a brief non-UK interlude doesn't go amiss). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2014 Eddie, These are such evocative photos for me. Even now, the intrepid explorer could possibly find some derelict locos disappearing inot the bush around the old Zambesi Sawmills Railway depot. South Africa was probably the ultimate Death Steam - much of it recent, with appalling losses of historic locos at the failed 'museum' sites at krugersdorp, and others. Even now, the survivors are being scrapped or sold off. http://steam-locomotives-south-africa.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/*%20Randfontein%20-%20SANRASM%20%22North%22%20site But who knows what there is in China? Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Dava, I couldn't agree more. The failure to protect unique "preserved" locomotives at the Chamdor site was an international tragedy. While I did pay a short visit to Krugersdorp before everything went awry, there was far too much there and I never did it justice - alas, there's little now to go back for, even if I had the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward66 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 A bit late in responding to Jamie on the locos at Skipton. The 4 Tilbury tanks 41971-74 were reallocated to Skipton but instead ended up at Durran Hill, Carlisle were they sat for many years until they were removed and scrapped. When I saw them the outer coat of paint was well weathered on one side so LMS was visible. Basically the engines were not wanted. The other locos. Jamie referred to were preserved and kept at Hellifield shed until York could receive them. The station master escorted me to the locked building and allowed me to see them, they did include a Tilbury tank, the preserved "Thundersley", plus several more which I can't recall just now. This is well documented. Edward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2016 A bit late in responding to Jamie on the locos at Skipton. The 4 Tilbury tanks 41971-74 were reallocated to Skipton but instead ended up at Durran Hill, Carlisle were they sat for many years until they were removed and scrapped. When I saw them the outer coat of paint was well weathered on one side so LMS was visible. Basically the engines were not wanted. The other locos. Jamie referred to were preserved and kept at Hellifield shed until York could receive them. The station master escorted me to the locked building and allowed me to see them, they did include a Tilbury tank, the preserved "Thundersley", plus several more which I can't recall just now. This is well documented. Edward I also got into Hellifield courtesy of Mr Taylor, who'd retired from Settle then but till had contacts. He arranged for me to go to Hellifeld, I was given a key and allowed to wander across t the shed and spend time doing a drawing of Green Arrow for a Duke of Edinburgh's award project. I think I made 3 visits altogether pedalling over from home at Giggleswick. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2016 This a miscellaneous collection of photos from Dad's albums. My apologies if they stray outside the thread's remit. I have included a set of four showing the conversion of Bath Road shed, Bristol from steam to diesel. There is also a nice example from earlier times of a withdrawn loco serving a useful purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2016 Fascinating collection Phil - many thanks for sharing Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward66 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 The Tilbury tanks 41971-4 mentioned by Jamie were transferred to Scotland in 1948 but quickly rejected and reallocated to Skipton. However, they got no further than Carlisle at the small Durran Hill shed where they remained derelict until scrapped in 1955. I remember seeing them there in a deplorable state, the LMS lettering reappearing from the faded BR livery. Edward.........Oops, this is a repeat of an earlier posting of mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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