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On 28/04/2020 at 22:39, simon br blue said:

 

Hi, like most people on here I don't sell or give away my stl files.  I have a Form 2 SLA printer but it would struggle to print the coach and to remove the support material easily.  I models in this thread are made for myself as a hobby, I make them available for others if requested.

 

A more modern item of stock that i was able to take plenty of reference photos of is a 156 DMU.  I wasn't able to find any detailed drawings but using the drawings and some side and front on photos I've made some drawings although there are some more detail to finish like the interior and sorting out a way of making the window frames - I'm thinking possibly laser cut frames or an etch.  I did test print of the basic shell printed in 2 parts with the main body and a cab end with gangway printed as one part.  I then printed a test of the snowplow and coupling on the Form 2 and a bogie on my Balco printer.  I think the best way to print this would be as a one piece shell on Shapeways with separate details bogies and under frame.

 

49771112406_882d996efc_b.jpg156 cab render by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49771112081_ab1f55c9b3_b.jpg156 bogie render by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49770578158_14beeddc22_b.jpg156 Underframe render by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49771436757_ba8b09c3ba_b.jpg7mm 156 DMU test print by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49771436687_a83f4c10b2_b.jpg7mm 156 DMU test print by simon br blue, on Flickr

Ideal for upgrading the Ecrapo of old kits - I have a 7mm tucked away somewhere, also the underframe idea would help as the castings are only worth using as ballast weights ! 

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Hello Simon, have you ever been tempted to get something like an anycubic photon to do prints at home and sell directly? Just thought you could potentially make the money back on the purchase of the machine by doing so and cutting out the shapeways middleman. The fidelity possible with the photon is very good compared to any shapeways print I’ve had.

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On 29/04/2020 at 21:26, simon br blue said:

 I realize you are disappointed with the model, I think the current price is £38 for the model but would I pay that for a similar print in PA12,  yes I would and I currently have some 4mm models on order with Shapeways but I realize that PA12 that is a compromise between design limitations, surface finish and minimum thicknesses.  Hopefully 3D printing will continue to improve where prints like the HDA model in my last post can be produced without the need for support like the current SLA models,  without support residue marks like the Fine Detail Plastic on Shapeways and without the layering or lower resolution seen on FDM printer.

 

Thanks, yes, it was a disappointment.  I feel that the quality of PA12, which I hadn't seen before, was a let down, and I couldn't honestly recommend it for rolling stock.  Forgive me if exchange rates confused me on the price.

 

If you do find an outlet for printing in a better material, as Corbs suggests, the models would, as I've said, benefit from revision, but would be worth revising and the offer to help with accuracy points remains open.

 

A further thought on No.16 is that its overall dimensions look OK (I confess, I've yet to measure it or check the point), but the ducket seems noticeably too long. 

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Recent posts about Wisbech and Upwell no.16 and PA12 led me to dig out some of the Wisbech and Upwell models I have.  I've taken some photos of the models in various scales and materials to show what the prints look like, bear in mind that some of the close ups will display the models larger than real life. 

 

First photo's are of a 4mm Y6 Tram printed in PA12, with basic livery applied after a coat of primer.

 

49849973731_bbabe98503_k.jpg4mm Y6 tram by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49849973846_4a664077a7_k.jpg4mm Y6 tram interior by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Basically the same model in 3 different scales, 7mm, 4mm and 2mm trams.  7mm J70 printed in Natural White Versatile Plastic (WSF), 4mm Y6 in PA 12 and 2mm Y6 in Grey resin printed on my Form 2.

 

49849975336_a096fcbf26_k.jpg7mm, 4mm and 2mm trams by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

3 4mm models in different materials Drewry class  04 freshly printed in colour resin on my Form 2.  J70 printed in Shapeways Fine Detail Plastic and Y6 printed in Shapeways PA12.

 

49849442333_3c3b26beea_k.jpg4mm Wisbech And Upwell trams by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4mm J70 Tram printed in Shapeways Fine Detail Plastic, this was printed before the Model Rail J70 was announced. Model has the common partly removed side skirts layout exposing the cylinders.

 

49850283747_b7fbd07a06_k.jpg4mm J70 tram by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4mm Drewry 04 rear tram printed in Colour Resin on my Form 2, this shows the support material requiring removal from resin prints which is required to support the print any overhangs.

 

49849445208_39e76224ff_k.jpg4mm Drewry 04 tram rear by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

7mm, 4mm and 2mm Wisbech and Upwell coaches.  7mm and 2mm printed in Shapeways PA12, 4mm printed in PA12 Black material. As can be seen detail is affected by the material in the smaller scales. Also note that the finer details such as the end railing need to be thickened up in the smaller scale to enable it to be printed.

 

49849979831_8378aed8b7_k.jpg7mm, 4mm and 2mm Wisbech and Upwell coaches by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

7mm Wisbech and Upwell bogie coach veranda printed in PA12 showing the railings

 

49850291157_c7ff8581bc_k.jpg7mm Wisbech and Upwell bogie coach veranda by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4mm Wisbech and Upwell coach veranda printed in PA12 Black showing the railings - this was an early PA 12 black model and some of the initial models had these small holes or gaps in the material.

 

49850287192_ff0a6a97d9_k.jpg4mm Wisbech and Upwell coach veranda by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

2mm Wisbech and Upwell coach veranda printed in PA12 Black showing the railings, noticeable how thick the railings are - a reason why I haven't as yet made this available in 2mm.

 

49850287977_0482f76794_k.jpg2mm Wisbech and Upwell coach veranda by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4mm Wisbech and Upwell bogie coach veranda printed in Shapeways HDA Black resin (no longer available from Shapeways) showing the railings

 

49850289377_5077fd82e2_k.jpg4mm Wisbech and Upwell bogie coach veranda by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4mm GER luggage van printed in Polished White Natural Versatile Plastic.

 

49850290712_7d40ebe8fb_k.jpg4mm GER luggage van by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Bogie coach printed in Shapeways HDA Black resin (no longer available from shapeways), short coach printed in PA12 Black and GER luggage van printed in Polished White Natural Versatile Plastic

 

49849449598_fd0ca5ff28_k.jpg4mm Wisbech and Upwell coaching stock by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Finally for this update, 7mm Wisbech and Upwell van no.16 printed in 2 parts (body and chassis) on my Balco printer.

 

49850291602_c77da9762b_k.jpg7mm Wisbech and Upwell van no.16 by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Hope this helps.

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Hi,

Are the O gauge items Wisbech and upwell tram loco and four wheel coach available I could not see them on shape ways.

 

Are they available through another outlet. I'd quite like to finish the build of the team loco chassis etc.

 

Thank.

 

G.

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Hi G,

 

I've not made these available yet in 7mm but i'll work through them and check that they are printable.

 

Some wagons I've been working on recently in different scales.

 

49891321483_f68f0b6cdf_k.jpgLine up of wagons by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

First wagon a 1:32 VAA van, body made in 7 parts from PLA printed on my Balco printer, Shapeways versatile plastic chassis.  Slaters wheels with Balco PLA printed brake discs.  Door locks printed in grey resin on Form 2. 

 

49891321968_14a2c53096_k.jpg1:32 VAA van by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Next up a 7mm UKF PWA fertiliser wagon.  Body printed in PLA in 14 parts with Shapeways Versatile plastic bogies.  The door locking bars will be added from evergreen plastic strip after homemade transfers are applied.

 

49891321428_e6a028518e_k.jpg7mm UKF PWA by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

3rd wagon is a 2mm PHA hopper wagon for a Redland Self Discharge train.  PA12 chassis with Form 2 grey resin hopper body.

 

49891834356_cae6af0077_k.jpg2mm PHA hopper wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

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My latest project thanks to Simon!

 

The Scottish Malt Distillers polybulk wagon, the PAV's in the last pic are also from Simon.

 

My only grumble with myself is that when I built the PAV's and CO2 tanks I ordered Slaters wheels, the bearings are too big for the axleboxes so I had to drill them out, on ordering this one I mentioned wheels to Simon and he recommended Peartree wheels, on arriving I found the bearings were a perfect fit in the bogies.

 

Craig

 

 

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Time for another update, first up I've applied homemade transfers to the UKF and VAA vans.  The UKF transfers are printed on clear decal paper and the VAA was printed on white decal paper with a red border to the Railfreight logo and grey inner for the TOPS panel.  I added the door locking mechanisms from plastic rod after applying the transfers.

 

49935539186_e03b5c493f_k.jpg7mm UKF PWA by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49935535536_7d83232281_k.jpg7mm UKF PWA by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49935839962_ca507dbc7f_k.jpg1:32 VAA by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

I finally got around to weathering and adding transfers to one of the BAA (from Railtec) and at the same time added some black bands to some PLA printed steel coils.

 

49935839422_d7ea980046_k.jpg7mm BAA by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

I've also been doing a bit of work on the Polybulks recently, still hopeful that I can get some transfer made up as I struggled make my own larger transfers especially printing light colours on green or blue backgrounds, the original drawings were done on MS paint.   I though i would have a try at using vinyl and paper transfers printing a complete overlay for the bodyside with a possible bonus of smoothing out any inperfections on the sides.  First attempt was using white Vinyl sheet for the Malt Distillers Polybulk in 7mm and then tried a 4mm version.

 

50010289211_84c32868a5_k.jpg7mm Malt Distillers Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50010560472_26ef51984a_k.jpg4mm and 7mm Malt Distillers Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50010560542_5ad23532c5_k.jpg4mm and 7mm Malt Distillers Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Next I tried the Traffic Services Livery but I struggled to get the large areas of green to fix to the paper when printing so I tried some sticky back paper and this worked well, this overlay was added to a grey bodyshell,  I then printed a side for the Grainflow wagon, this was the harder of sides to draw it was hard to find a good photo of the Grainflow logo.  Most of the text on all the wagons was found by looking online on one of the font finding sites, the Malt Distillers lettering was a bit a bit homemade.

 

50009768728_17b14843db_k.jpg7mm Swingtop Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50009771503_149370f43f_k.jpg7mm Grainflow Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Finally a line up of all 4 polybulks in 4mm and 7mm.  

 

4 versions of the 4mm Polybulk wagons 3 bodies printed on Balco printer with Form 2 resin printed details, handrails made from handrail wire home printed transfer overlays on Malt Distiller wagon with Railtec transfers on the slab sided Polybulk and Fox transfers on the Grainflow wagon.   Swingtop Polybulk is the Bachmann version.

 

50009771913_8f63a785ef_k.jpg4mm Polybulk lineup by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

4 versions of the 7mm Polybulk wagons with bodies printed on Balco printer with Shapeways printed details, home printed transfer overlays on 3 wagons with Railtec transfers on the slab sided Polybulk.

 

50010300816_9f99fe63e9_k.jpg7mm Polybulk lineup by simon br blue, on Flickr

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Hi Al,

 

I can make the bogies available on Shapeways and I can print the parts and the transfers. I'll work out the costs and send you a message.

 

A small update, another wagon I've been working on finishing is the PRA china clay wagon, this model was made with a  with Balco printed body and top sheet, Versatile plastic chassis, PA12 end walkways (mesh walkway not fitted yet) and Form 2 resin top cover wheel.  Elastic hood straps made from fine elastic, glued at top before being tensioned and gluing at bottom.

 

49935027433_302a35d3ba_k.jpg7mm PRA wagon body by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49935843042_1c88f66ed4_k.jpg7mm PRA wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

 

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9 hours ago, simon br blue said:

Hi Al,

 

I can make the bogies available on Shapeways and I can print the parts and the transfers. I'll work out the costs and send you a message.

 

Thanks Simon. I am no wagon (or even bogie) expert, but are they standard Gloucester bogies under the UKF van? If so I have a set of GJH Davis & Lloyd bogies here I can throw under it. I would have thought Shapeways will be quite expensive to just have a set of bogies printed and sent. Look forward to your PM.

 

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4 hours ago, D6775 said:

 

Thanks Simon. I am no wagon (or even bogie) expert, but are they standard Gloucester bogies under the UKF van? If so I have a set of GJH Davis & Lloyd bogies here I can throw under it. I would have thought Shapeways will be quite expensive to just have a set of bogies printed and sent. Look forward to your PM.

 

480008492_GJHPlantDavisLloydFreightBogie.jpg.fa2209d2189d34bade5f785e8a68fe8a.jpg

 

Gloucester Fastfreight bogies, a totally different bogie with smaller wheels.

 

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Yes, as pointed out they are slightly different bogies,  Photo below of some of the various 7mm bogies I've made with an unpainted PWA Gloucester bogie in the middle.

 

50058601988_5df086c6f6_k.jpg7mm Bogies by simon br blue, on Flickr.

 

Had time to fit mesh for the walkway and apply the Precision Labels transfers to PRA wagon at the weekend.

 

50055591958_1d2b1e049c_k.jpg7mm PRA wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50056414062_755db138ec_k.jpg7mm PRA wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

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The wheels I used on the PWA are 2'10" Peartree wheels.

 

Another bit of an update,

 

Following on from the PRA I had a go at making a couple more wagons using my PLA printer for the main body to keep the costs down.  The first wagon as a POA scrap wagon, the main body was printed in 2 parts to allow it to fit on the print bed with additional details for the suspension and details being printed in PA12 from Shapeways.   Transfer are from Railtec with Dapol coupling and Shapeways printed air pipe.

 

50055592558_0743252ffb_k.jpg7mm POA scrap wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50056166851_1f75624014_k.jpg7mm POA scrap wagon by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Another wagon made with a PLA body is the HTV hopper, these use a Shapeways Versatile plastic chassis and have been finished with PA12 handrails.  These have homemade transfers and Dapol couplings.

 

50056166996_c99bb73d3f_k.jpg7mm HTV hoppers by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50056165676_5f07d85240_k.jpg7mm HTV hopper handrails by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

 

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A couple of Polybulk wagons for tonight's update.

 

First up is another 7mm PBA Clay Tiger, new version of the wagon printed in 3 parts on my Balco printer with walkways and end details printed in Shapeways PA12.  Y25 bogies printed in Versatile Plastic.  side Pipework made from wire.  Form 2 printed buffers and discharge handles.  I tried this to see how it compares to the version available on Shapeways,  this just needs the hopper lid painting and Railtec transfers adding.

 

50058603218_9c4940329a_k.jpg7mm PBA Clay Tiger by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50059173766_76684ea7e5_k.jpg7mm PBA Clay Tiger by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Next wagon is a 7mm STS Polybulk.  Similar design to the Malt Distillers Polybulk wagon, main body and bottom doors printed in 3 parts on my Balco printer with details and walkway printed in PA12  and Y25 bogies printed in Versatile Plastic by Shapeways, Invatrain Oleo buffers, Dapol screw couplings, Versatile Plastic air pipes, side pipe work using Steel wire and end brake gear and fittings printed on Form 2 in colour resin.  Home made transfers printed on clear decal paper (bank white sheet positioned behind the data panel).  This is probably the most detailed wagon so far with more parts printed separately than the other wagons and using 4 different print materials.

 

50059177781_013c55ff17_k.jpg7mm STS Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50059177756_ebc03b172d_k.jpg7mm STS Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

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1 hour ago, simon br blue said:

A couple of Polybulk wagons for tonight's update.

 

First up is another 7mm PBA Clay Tiger, new version of the wagon printed in 3 parts on my Balco printer with walkways and end details printed in Shapeways PA12.  Y25 bogies printed in Versatile Plastic.  side Pipework made from wire.  Form 2 printed buffers and discharge handles.  I tried this to see how it compares to the version available on Shapeways,  this just needs the hopper lid painting and Railtec transfers adding.

 

50058603218_9c4940329a_k.jpg7mm PBA Clay Tiger by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50059173766_76684ea7e5_k.jpg7mm PBA Clay Tiger by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Next wagon is a 7mm STS Polybulk.  Similar design to the Malt Distillers Polybulk wagon, main body and bottom doors printed in 3 parts on my Balco printer with details and walkway printed in PA12  and Y25 bogies printed in Versatile Plastic by Shapeways, Invatrain Oleo buffers, Dapol screw couplings, Versatile Plastic air pipes, side pipe work using Steel wire and end brake gear and fittings printed on Form 2 in colour resin.  Home made transfers printed on clear decal paper (bank white sheet positioned behind the data panel).  This is probably the most detailed wagon so far with more parts printed separately than the other wagons and using 4 different print materials.

 

50059177781_013c55ff17_k.jpg7mm STS Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

50059177756_ebc03b172d_k.jpg7mm STS Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

Those are something else Simon, really good!

 

My Scottish Malt Distliiers polybulk is at this stage, custom decals although I see the Railtec ones are now available.

 

Craig

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Hi Simon

 

Appreciate this might be a little too niche, but any chance the Class 24/25 bogie sideframes seen (much) earlier in the thread could be made available in H0 (1/87) scale please?

 

Likewise the 24/1 cab, though that would be a lower priority as I could more easily scratchbuild that than those complex-looking sideframes. 

 

I'd be after at leat 2-locos worth (4 bogies, 4 cabs), possibly another couple. 

 

TIA! 

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