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Hi all,

Thought I would start a thread on the detail differences among the class 40s. Hopefully to act as a guide for modellers improving the new class Bachmann class 40.

I didn't see many class 40s back in the day so the ones I did see I remember quite well. So I am no expert so I guess it's over to you guys.

 

Any pics showing the detail differences would be great. I will be doing 40135 as 97406 so any pics showing detail of whats left between the bogies would be nice.

 

Something I did notice the other day while looking a pictures was that some locos don't have the sandboxes on the inner side of the bogie.

 

Cheers Peter.

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40012. has extra brackets half way up the nose doors, they are right next to the ones fitted in the normal position. Also small round disc bottom right of nose door, I think this was fitted due to the loco working a royal train. 40012 at some point had it's multiple working cable and socket removed from the bufferbeam, leaving two holes.

 

Cheers Peter.

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Mornin' Peter,

 

Have a look at the class 40s on the Barrowmore MRG website, for Mostyn....still likely to be the best 4mm class 40s by some margin and they covered most variants too.

 

http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/mostyn.html

 

Dave

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Thanks Dave,

They are very nice class 40s, and there was an article in Express Modeller a few years back which does give some of the detail differences, so well worth a read if you can find a copy.

 

Cheers Peter.

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A list of Class 40 detail differences can be found here:

 

http://www.flickr.com/groups/cfas/discuss/72157625726740402/

 

For example sandboxes, without the rear sandboxes a full list.

40 006 40 014 40 038 40 041 40 044 40 046 40 048 40 052 40 055 40 060 - 6 40 073 40 077 40 078 40 080 40 082 40 086 40 089 40 091 40 092 40 094 40 096 40 099 40 101 40 103 40 104 40 112 40 121
40 123 40 138 40 140 40 142 40143 40144 40 148 40 150 40 157 - 68 40 173 40 180 40 184 40 194

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A list of Class 40 detail differences can be found here:

 

http://www.flickr.com/groups/cfas/discuss/72157625726740402/

 

For example sandboxes, without the rear sandboxes a full list.

40 006 40 014 40 038 40 041 40 044 40 046 40 048 40 052 40 055 40 060 - 6 40 073 40 077 40 078 40 080 40 082 40 086 40 089 40 091 40 092 40 094 40 096 40 099 40 101 40 103 40 104 40 112 40 121

40 123 40 138 40 140 40 142 40143 40144 40 148 40 150 40 157 - 68 40 173 40 180 40 184 40 194

Thanks heaps tinsley-toton, That's superb, just about covers everything, I think I will be spending a bit of time checking it all out.

 

Cheers Peter. 

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I never did get a definitive answer about "Nose Ladders". Which got them, how long did they last?   Anyone know of a link for that? The Clarke book does mention them but it is rather vague on the subject...

 

Best, Pete.

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...yes, I have a copy of that, thanks.

 

I was a member at Barrowmore for some years and had the chance to examine just how much detailing went into each of these locos.

 

Dave

The diagram books for this sort of info are almost useless as they show the standard arrangement. 

 

 

Al Taylor

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Pete

 

All of the disc fitted 40s had nose ladders apart from the first 10 (D210 to D324 or 40010 to 40124 but not 40122)

The bolts under the nose end right hand side horn grille are the giveaway sign that they were fitted.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5542637862/in/photolist-9rMt8L-dDqPkk-9iZgjY-aodn1a-dhhLWy-9TGGdu-9iZei3-dcFimQ-gZehPs-d6msJC-a8ZWBA-bGmuoV-deNVFY-fuP1fp-diGgWx-aYTkfe-dDwbcm-dxjcWJ-da8wSc-9xYoLC-cYSZJU-d4WTGm-dan4NK-8fYycx-9qn3Zt-8bb4R4-8ZoBWk-8PvQip-d5LoiS-aA5Vtt-aoGSys-j1LwYV-d7oAkf-d7r4Yj-d7qShU-da7jY6-damMow-d6knGj-d7oE79-d2sP5b-aGTbZK-aGTcZ4-aGTbcv-d7rg7f-bzJv58-bXaV2G-9Nrv9o-d2uh7d-d5D47u-7yvh88-9uRjJ8

 

 

I can't help you about when they were removed though.

 

T-T

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Pete

 

After much reading I have just found this:

 

Class 40s commencing with D210 appeared with a nose end ladder to provide access to the 2 hinged hatches on top of the nose, removal of the ladders began at a early stage and only a few examples remained by 1961.

 

T-T

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Pete

 

After much reading I have just found this:

 

Class 40s commencing with D210 appeared with a nose end ladder to provide access to the 2 hinged hatches on top of the nose, removal of the ladders began at a early stage and only a few examples remained by 1961.

 

T-T

The doors on the top of the nose are released by two catches inside the nose end. You would release these then climb up the outside to open them. It very easy to open them from inside the nose, done it loads of times either to change wiper blades or climb on the roof to open the engine/bolier roof doors.

 

Al Taylor.

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97406 at Springs Branch on 13 August 1985, note step up to bodyside engineroom door and missing covers to horns on the nose.

Best of luck with your conversion from 40135.

 

Tom

Thanks Tom,

I was looking at pictures of 40135 (97406) on Flickr the other day and noticed that the horn grilles were missing at one end. Something else to try and model. Any pics of how the horns site behind the grille would be good, Hadn't really noticed the step any pics of that would be nice.

 

Cheers Peter. 

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40012. has extra brackets half way up the nose doors, they are right next to the ones fitted in the normal position. Also small round disc bottom right of nose door, I think this was fitted due to the loco working a royal train. 40012 at some point had it's multiple working cable and socket removed from the bufferbeam, leaving two holes.

 

Cheers Peter.

Peter,

 

After a bit of checking - the extra brackets on the nose doors were LM region headbard brackets. It seems that they were fitted to all the Disc fitted class 40s originally allocated to the LM region.

 

D210-236, D255 (The ETH one) D267-D269, D287-D324

There were a few odd ball ones in later days when nose doors were plated over, odd brackets removed or doors swapped etc.

 

A couple of pics

 

40012 Man Vic 6 June 1983

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40012 Man Vic 6 June 1983 (Cropped)

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40055 Reddish 26 December 1982 (The former ETH loco)

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The engine room steps.

40135 Doncaster works 10 March 1985

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40135 Doncaster works 10 March 1985(cropped)

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40082 Man Vic 25 July 1984

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HTH

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After a bit of checking - the extra brackets on the nose doors were LM region headbard brackets. It seems that they were fitted to all the Disc fitted class 40s originally allocated to the LM region.

 

D210-236, D255 (The ETH one) D267-D269, D287-D324

There were a few odd ball ones in later days when nose doors were plated over, odd brackets removed or doors swapped etc.

 

All the info is provided in the link that I attached on message 8.

 

The following Disc headcode locos have two brackets either side of the door catches

 

40003 No2 40010 40011 40012 40013 40014

40015 40016 40017 40018 40019 40020

40022 40023 40024 40025 40027 40028

40030 40031 40032 40034 40035 40036

40055 40067 40068 40069 40087 40088

40089 40090 40092 40093 40094 40095

40096 40097 40099 40100 40101 40102

40103 40104 40105 40106 40107 40108

40109 40110 40111 40112 40114 40115

40116 40117 40118 40119 40120 40123

40124

 

T-T

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 TT

 

With respect,  what I stated was those locos which were originally fitted and not the odd ball ones from later in their life.

 

BTW the link you gave is not very user friendly IMHO for queries such as the above.

 

 

 

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Peter,

 

After a bit of checking - the extra brackets on the nose doors were LM region headbard brackets. It seems that they were fitted to all the Disc fitted class 40s originally allocated to the LM region.

 

D210-236, D255 (The ETH one) D267-D269, D287-D324

There were a few odd ball ones in later days when nose doors were plated over, odd brackets removed or doors swapped etc.

 

A couple of pics

 

40012 Man Vic 6 June 1983

attachicon.gif40012 MV 060883 TR1313.jpg

 

40012 Man Vic 6 June 1983 (Cropped)

attachicon.gif40012 MV 060883 crop.jpg

 

40055 Reddish 26 December 1982 (The former ETH loco)

attachicon.gif40055 RS 261282.jpg

 

The engine room steps.

40135 Doncaster works 10 March 1985

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40135 Doncaster works 10 March 1985(cropped)

attachicon.gif40135 crop.jpg

 

40082 Man Vic 25 July 1984

attachicon.gif40082 crop.jpg

 

HTH

Hi Derek,

Always nice to see your pictures, thanks for the blow ups it gives me a good idea of how the step looks.

 

Cheers Peter.

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A pair of 40s at Abergavenny

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The trailing engine is 40 057 but I am not sure of the leading engine. I am afraid the negatives have become seperated from the prints which had the details on. From what I can remember the train is Severn Tunnel Junction - Walton and I seem to remember they had failed on a special the previous day and where working back on this train. Class 40s where relatively common on the North and West in the eighties but tended to be on night time workings.

 

My abiding memory of a 40 on this line is walking to work for a night turn and hearing the engine whistling away as it stood on the down main. I knew something was amiss as owing to the arrangement of block sections it was very rare for anything to be stopped on the down. On arrival in the box my mate informed me there was a train in the up loop sans engine. The crew on this train (when freights still had guards) thought they had hit someone at Penpergwm (just south of Abergavenny) so they had hooked the engine off and had gone back on the down line to examine the line. A world away from what would happen nowadays!

 

Reminds me of the phrase that went something like; 'the past is another country, they do things differently there'

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I'd say that the leading one is 40135, no boiler tanks, has rear sand boxes, no disc on front end door, high mounted headboard bracket with lower clips and the worksplate area is highlighted, can't be many others that it could be.

 

T-T

Hi,

I have zoomed in on a higher res scan of middle photo and it certainly looks like it could be 135 though it is not quite sharp enough to be 100% certain

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