royaloak Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Thanks stovepipe - number 346 was written in my 12 year old hand on the back of the photo, but I bow to the 40s specialists! If it helps, I've rescanned the photo at the max dpi that my scanner will go to and cropped it down, but I'm afraid that last digit is elusive. Doesn't look like 341 though? p40s-201&346_Apr1973crop.jpg As it is obviously 34<something> it can only be numbered between 340 and 344 (345 upwards had a centre headcode panel) so it must be 340. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_anorak59 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I agree, it's 340. I wasn't sure if it could have been another '3'. An '0' would be more likely to get confused with the '6' that I originally thought it was too, I guess. Thanks all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I do like looking at 'old' pictures, thanks for posting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Thanks stovepipe - number 346 was written in my 12 year old hand on the back of the photo, but I bow to the 40s specialists! If it helps, I've rescanned the photo at the max dpi that my scanner will go to and cropped it down, but I'm afraid that last digit is elusive. Doesn't look like 341 though? D340? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glo41f Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I am in the throes of making a 7mm model of D202 which worked on the GE. I am using a JLTRT kit which is great. I have reached the stage where I need to paint the cabs. I have some B&W pictures which indicate that the cabs as delivered were white or light grey or white. I cannot tell. Can anyone please give me a definitive answer as to the cab colour? Thanks in advance. Martin Long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted April 3, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2017 I would expect they were light grey as they remained throughout their working life. The drivers console itself was a darker grey with a bluish tinge. Here's an early shot, contrast the headcode discs with the part of the cab interior visible. D217 on Trial at Gainsborough, 1960 by Allen, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted April 4, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2017 A few shots of 40047 at York on a sunny day 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) I am in the throes of making a 7mm model of D202 which worked on the GE. I am using a JLTRT kit which is great. I have reached the stage where I need to paint the cabs. I have some B&W pictures which indicate that the cabs as delivered were white or light grey or white. I cannot tell. Can anyone please give me a definitive answer as to the cab colour? Thanks in advance. Martin Long a thread on the 'old' RMWeb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35221&hilit=40+interior suggests cream initially, changing to rail grey (possibly when repainted into blue) Edited April 4, 2017 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 a thread on the 'old' RMWeb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35221&hilit=40+interior suggests cream initially, changing to rail grey (possibly when repainted into blue) The lower part of the cab was green with everything above in cream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted August 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 24, 2017 40145 on the Scarborough Spa Express today. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 40122 with a BG & GUV in Rhyl yard, mid/late 80's. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 A question for the 40 experts I have just bought Bachmann 97407. Now I am probably going to turn this into 40012. I am not a 40 expert and there seem to be so many variations in their detail. If I removed the Aureol name as well as the 97407 numbering. what alternative numbers could I apply? What other 40s were identical in their detail to 40012? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 May I add some of my own Type 4/Class 40 shots to the mix? I'm not an expert so don't know if these are unusual in any respect, but here we go.. A 'namer' on Tyneside - D229 Saxonia heads north with what looks like a ballast train (unless someone can suggest a better description?) at Low Fell, Gateshead on 6th July 1968. Named examples were rare in this part of the country at the time. On the left is the remaining part of the station building, which closed in the 1950s An ex-'namer' on Tyneside - 40035 (formerly Apapa) after arrival with a Liverpool train on 5th August 1975 Trevor 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2018 A question for the 40 experts I have just bought Bachmann 97407. Now I am probably going to turn this into 40012. I am not a 40 expert and there seem to be so many variations in their detail. If I removed the Aureol name as well as the 97407 numbering. what alternative numbers could I apply? What other 40s were identical in their detail to 40012? Thanks In general you could have any Stone boiler fitted disc headcode production loco, so 40010-059, 067-086, 105-124. Within these ranges there are some obvious ones to avoid like 69, and accident damaged ones like 44. Others had various modifications to the nose ends, such as 58, 67, 98, 111 & 116, Some had the boiler isolated with the rectangular exhaust port behind the no. 2 cab blanked off. Others had the inner sandboxes removed, and there was quite a lot of variations in the placement of numbers, arrows, data panels etc. Quite a few acquired unofficial names in the last few years too, though I think only 104 Warrior in your range. Still, there are plenty to chose from! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 In general you could have any Stone boiler fitted disc headcode production loco, so 40010-059, 067-086, 105-124. Within these ranges there are some obvious ones to avoid like 69, and accident damaged ones like 44. Others had various modifications to the nose ends, such as 58, 67, 98, 111 & 116, Some had the boiler isolated with the rectangular exhaust port behind the no. 2 cab blanked off. Others had the inner sandboxes removed, and there was quite a lot of variations in the placement of numbers, arrows, data panels etc. Quite a few acquired unofficial names in the last few years too, though I think only 104 Warrior in your range. Still, there are plenty to chose from! Thank you that is very helpful. Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 OK 97407 will have all numbers and the name removed and will be turned into 40068 with two white disc head codes as pictured here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/86055018@N03/28238676854/in/photolist-gWu3VW-bmywGJ-b81shP-doypiY-7Cn3jT-TM6TN6-csFPyw-a5YRYW-dVyMcH-bYEfyY-jdcKcC-7GsTJA-9sHCA4-RXYsD9-h5Sa43-9BPRTB-dVyLCt-7vpMcQ-dMYf95-7G7hSa-dVyMJk-pzGnJF-JZ9pws-7oZEfC-ntfcQh-E8vKtN-K2mANS-rWyLZi-9QC7sj-iMh7m3-rYqyEK-znLheP-H4Mrn6-k9sbgy-iMW75g-V1irXo-NAZn7g Do any class 40 rivet counters have any objections? if so please shout Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2018 This may have been mentioned before but I use the class 40 appreciation societies Flickr page for all my class 40 rivet counting. https://www.flickr.com/groups/90686983@N00/discuss/72157625726740402/ Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Here's 40085 after arrival at Newcastle on 5th August 1980, showing some good front end detail. Trevor 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Here's 40048 at Manors on 6th July 1975, heading for Newcastle. It could be on a train from Edinburgh or, due to the absence of heads at windows, it might be emptry stock from Heaton (despite the headcode?) Trevor 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2018 Here's 40085 after arrival at Newcastle on 5th August 1980, showing some good front end detail. (1555b) 40085 Newcastle 5-8-80 (T Ermel).jpg Trevor Interesting that there are no 'discs' to go with the head code marker lights - how common was this? Is this a "one off"? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Interesting that there are no 'discs' to go with the head code marker lights - how common was this? Is this a "one off"? Regards, Ian. Looking at the class 40 flickr site link posted above. They list 15 of them without headcode discs 1,9,12,13,33,35,58,70,73,84,85,92,99,101,121 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2018 Looking at the class 40 flickr site link posted above. They list 15 of them without headcode discs 1,9,12,13,33,35,58,70,73,84,85,92,99,101,121 Many thanks 'SouthernBlue'. Definitely not a "one off" then. I assume that the discs were removed around the same time that the alpha-numeric head code displays were being "blanked out"? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2018 That is very likely the reason they were removed, but as so few were done, I suggest it was only applied to those that received the last classified works visits, which ceased in Feb 1981. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Some bad late '70's early '80' spics' i hope they can help with anyones modeling. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted January 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2018 Some bad late '70's early '80' spics' i hope they can help with anyones modeling. 1-2-2018_001.JPG 1-3-2018_013.JPG 1-3-2018_029.JPG 1-3-2018_050.JPG 1-3-2018_097.JPG 1-3-2018_130.JPG 1-3-2018_136.JPG 1-3-2018_129.JPG 1-3-2018_165.JPG 1-4-2018_008.JPG 1-4-2018_014.JPG Love the white chair in the third photo - anyone brave enough to add one to their model? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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