Jump to content
 

Class 40 Pics and detail differences in the class.


Recommended Posts

  • RMweb Premium

Hadn't seen this thread before :blind:

But here's some of my collection...

 

3 from the Lancashire outpost that is Morecambe unfortunatly its now a bit run down and not a patch on the 1970's when I went there on Holiday :umbrage:

 

attachicon.gifD299Morecambe1973.jpg

299 (40099) at Morecambe 22/07/1973 

 

attachicon.gif40099Morecambe1973.jpg

299 (40099) at Sunny Morecambe by the sea 22/07/1973 It must have been some kind of rail open day as behind it is E3018 later 81016 bit of an excuse for modellers to have an electric in a platform with its pan up but no wires..

 

attachicon.gif40197Morecambe1981.jpg

40197 runs round its oil tanks at Morecambe c.1981

 

Cheers

 

 

Steve

PS. not my shots but I own the copyright.

 

Two interesting shots of 299 - I must admit I haven't seen any 40's (especially in BR blue) without the 'D' prefix or full BR number (40099); was this common?

 

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Two interesting shots of 299 - I must admit I haven't seen any 40's (especially in BR blue) without the 'D' prefix or full BR number (40099); was this common?

 

 

David

 

Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was...

 

The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. 

 

So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. 

Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only.

Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS).

 

The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. 

There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos.

 

Russell Saxton has a database I think. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

It's one of Dad's photos, reproduced below to save looking at the flickr link.  The date is correct, he'd moved to Harrogate that Easter and it was one of his early visits to York.

 

attachicon.gifYork York Class 40 D252 down parecls Aug 65 J243.jpg

York Class 40 D252 down parcels Aug 65 J243

 

 

Another one of D252 a year later with the nose ladder in place.  Again the date is correct.

attachicon.gifk Hessle Class 40 D252 Kings X to Hull Sept 66 J648.jpg

Hessle Class 40 D252 Kings X to Hull Sept 66 J648

 

 

David

 

 

Excellent photos David, thanks.

 

We might speculate that D252 was the last EE type 4 to retain its ladder, if it was still there in Sep 1966.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was...

 

The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. 

 

So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. 

Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only.

Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS).

 

The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. 

There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos.

 

Russell Saxton has a database I think. 

 

Thank you; much appreciated - for some reason I haven't seen that in the books I have on the class...

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

Here's the principle, records will attest how common in practice it actually was...

 

The D-prefix was basically dropped from repaints into blue, shortly after the end of steam on 11th August '68. 

 

So, locos repainted into blue, pre-TOPS during 1966 - 8/68 received the D prefix. 

Repaints between the end of steam and TOPS, 9/68 - 5/73 (electrics were earlier) received the number only.

Repaints after TOPS received the TOPS number (many had already been green TOPS).

 

The speed of Class 40 repaints wasn't unduly hasty, but neither was it indecently slow, as plenty of D-prefix Blue locos show. 

There's no real evidence that speed of repainting slowed between 1968 and '73, so there should by rights be an appropriate number of no-D blue locos.

 

Russell Saxton has a database I think. 

 

As far as I can tell the earliest Blue repaints were done in May or June 1967. So there's probably only just over a year of D prefix blue locos before the D was dropped. I'm guessing at something like a 6 or 7 year paint cycle would have applied, so you might be talking around 35-40 locos in Blue D livery by Autumn 1968. Around 35 locos got their TOPS numbers whilst still in Green livery, so by rights there should have been around 125 locos in Blue no-D prefix by late 1973.

Link to post
Share on other sites

40012 was always a favourite of mine probably as it hung on for so long.

 

post-12740-0-51555800-1416343964.jpg

With nothing better to do after the festive period it was off to Leeds in 1985

40012 at Carlisle 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985

 

post-12740-0-63245600-1416343969.jpg

40012 at Skipton 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985

 

 

post-12740-0-99745700-1416343965.jpg

40012 at Leeds same day 02/01/1985

 

 

post-12740-0-40623800-1416343967.jpg

Later on in 1986 40012 was one of a few class 40's used for the Crewe re-modelling so 40012 with new number 97407 and old number 212 seen at Preston.

 

post-12740-0-98457000-1416343970.jpg

97407 awaits its fate in the Carlisle Kingmoor Scrap line c.1986 luckily it was preserved.

 

 

Cheers

Steve

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok - one more of 40 012

Not a good quality shot, but something different. This was one of a series of diversions through Manchester Piccadilly on March 1st 1983, and the only one hauled by a Class 40.

Unfortunately I didn't make any notes about which services were being diverted.

 

post-13274-0-27986100-1416348629_thumb.jpg

40 012 with 86 243

Edited by 60091
  • Like 6
Link to post
Share on other sites

To continue on the 40012 theme

 

40012 was a stand by loco at Manchester Victoria on the 6th August 1983

post-1161-0-93195900-1416349711_thumb.jpg

 

45121 arrived and was failed on the York - Llandudno (09-39)

post-1161-0-30322500-1416349729_thumb.jpg

 

40012 removed 45121

post-1161-0-61457700-1416349750_thumb.jpg

 

40012 departed on the late running York - Llandudno (10-07)

post-1161-0-29497700-1416349770_thumb.jpg

 

A fairly slick operation at a busy station

 

 

  • Like 8
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

40012 was always a favourite of mine probably as it hung on for so long.

 

attachicon.gif40012Carlisle1985.jpg

With nothing better to do after the festive period it was off to Leeds in 1985

40012 at Carlisle 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985

 

attachicon.gif40012SkiptonJan1985.jpg

40012 at Skipton 1E23 10:40 Carlisle - Leeds 2nd January 1985

 

 

attachicon.gif40012Leeds02011985.jpg

40012 at Leeds same day 02/01/1985

 

 

attachicon.gif40012Preston1986.jpg

Later on in 1986 40012 was one of a few class 40's used for the Crewe re-modelling so 40012 with new number 97407 and old number 212 seen at Preston.

 

attachicon.gif97407Carlislec.1986.jpg

97407 awaits its fate in the Carlisle Kingmoor Scrap line c.1986 luckily it was preserved.

 

 

Cheers

Steve

 

Excellent shot of 212 as 97407 - be interesting trying to get two sets of numbers on the side of a Farish 40!  I guess the Crewe re-modelling didn't last that long though so limited time bracket for a model?

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

To continue on the 40012 theme

 

40012 was a stand by loco at Manchester Victoria on the 6th August 1983

attachicon.gif40012 MV 060883 a.jpg

 

45121 arrived and was failed on the York - Llandudno (09-39)

attachicon.gif40012,45121 MV 060883 b.jpg

 

40012 removed 45121

attachicon.gif40012,45121 MV 060883 c.jpg

 

40012 departed on the late running York - Llandudno (10-07)

attachicon.gif40012 MV 060883 d.jpg

 

A fairly slick operation at a busy station

 

I have several shots of 40012 at Prestatyn during this time so was clearly something of a frequent visitor along the Coast...

 

Great pics; keep 'em coming!

 

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Excellent photos David, thanks.

 

We might speculate that D252 was the last EE type 4 to retain its ladder, if it was still there in Sep 1966.

 

Well that speculation lasted all of 72 hours.

 

Chris Turnbull has turned up a photo on his thread (see post 214) of D253, not just with a nose ladder but also a full yellow end, taken in April 1969.

 

I can't quite believe it, and it begs the question - did any EE Type 4 reach the 1970s with a nose ladder?

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

I always liked the split headcode dominos, like this pic of 40143 passing through Prestatyn with a sulphur train 30/08/84:

 

post-10897-0-16586800-1416434488.jpg

Copyright Dave Sallery, used with permission

 

But my favourite 40 has to be 40104 (my N gauge model of which is currently gracing the RMweb masthead :blush: ) seen here storming through Prestatyn 30/08/84:

 

post-10897-0-94859300-1416434504.jpg

Copyright Dave Sallery, used with permission

 

 

David

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

It was at Crewe Works in June and July 1971 for dual braking, so would have gone blue then. It made less than 5 years service in blue - it was the first dual-braked loco to be withdrawn, after an accident in Fordoun, near Stonehaven, Scotland on 12 June 1976.

Edited by stovepipe
Link to post
Share on other sites

Here is a Study of Class 40 40121 HM at York c.1982

 

post-12740-0-49251000-1416970682.jpg

Overall shot of 40121

 

post-12740-0-33014600-1416970683.jpg

Bogie detail and missing water tank

 

post-12740-0-17019000-1416970684.jpg

Missing water tank area.

 

post-12740-0-02540100-1416970685.jpg

Cab number detail

 

post-12740-0-86651900-1416970685.jpg

Driver door detail

 

post-12740-0-74651800-1416970686.jpg

Nose end detail.

 

 

Hope they are of use to someone.

 

Cheers

Steve

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...