Traeth Mawr -Building Mr Price's house , (mostly)

[Edwardian]

18 hours ago, ChrisN said:

Many months ago I said I was going to Didcot and promised to take a number of photos of details.  This all got a little lost for various reasons and then I looked at this photo I had taken:-

 

 

I looked at this and the at @Penrhos1920 site at the pre1905 livery and was surprised that the top part should be black.  I suppose the top is black if you think about it enough, but fortunately I do not get black thoughts very often.  While I was considering what to do @Edwardianposted his livery thread.  However, I do have some photos, even if they are mostly in the coaches.  I shall use two or three posts.  Please say if you are bored of the GWR and if this post is not sufficiently off topic.

 

Posters and seats

 

 

 

 

I do not trust the seat covers. I think they are post 1896, very modern.

 

How about some curtains:-

 

 

 

Makes your eyes go funny looking at it.  Perhaps that is why I have never seen them modelled.

 

How about some signs?

 

 

Nice above the door.

 

 

 

 

 

And a 'No Sitting' sign.

 

 

They were common on buses when I was a lad, but disappeared as I got into my late teens.  I suppose they thought people had stopped spitting.  This sign appears to have worked.

 

 

 

There you have it.  More sometime later.

 

If you have been, thanks for looking.

 

 

These are excellent shots, The interior detail is particularly helpful.

 

For those Parishioners not familiar with the Pre-Grouping Conclave, it might be convenient to link my post to the same page as your excellent pictures, as this covers all the Dean vehicles on display at Didcot.

 

Dean Era Coach Livery  

[ChrisN]

On 15/09/2021 at 14:37, Edwardian said:

 

These are excellent shots, The interior detail is particularly helpful.

 

For those Parishioners not familiar with the Pre-Grouping Conclave, it might be convenient to link my post to the same page as your excellent pictures, as this covers all the Dean vehicles on display at Didcot.

 

Dean Era Coach Livery  

 

I have edited the original post, and here is the link to Edwardian's thread again.  I did think of putting the link in originally, but never did,

 

So a couple more interiors,  A tiny armrest.

 

 

 

I am not sure what use that is except to poke you in the back at the wrong moment.

 

 

 

Looks like a gas light to me.  Now I always remembered those luggage racks being larger than that.  They used to take enormous cases, but they did have a lot of give in them.  (An aside.  @Sasquatch dared me to put a luggage rack in my coaches.  Now, I do not want to set a precedent so I have been looking at one of my 'one off' coaches to do it in, and so far have not made a decision, or if I have I have forgotten it.)

 

Outside into the fresh air.

 

 

 

 

This is 416, which is a T49, just like this one.

 

 

 

The one on the right.  Spot the deliberate mistake.

 

 

 

The ducket.

 

 

 

And again.  I had missed the fact that there is a 'gas top' on the ducket.  Fixing a 'gas top' to a brass ducket will be interesting.  (Umm, cut the tab off the bottom and use superglue perhaps.)

 

 

 

Bars over the window I have not photographed.

 

Here are two of the end of 1941.

 

 

 

 

The coach that is, not the year.  It is a Dean Third, a C10, eight compartment third.

 

 

 

Notice one of the steps is upside down.  Now is that a mistake or deliberate?  That looks like a steam pipe on the right, and safety chains.

 

One more batch to come.

 

If you have been, thanks for looking.

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by ChrisN

[Nick Holliday]

7 hours ago, ChrisN said:

Notice one of the steps is upside down.  Now is that a mistake or deliberate?  That looks like a steam pipe on the right, and safety chains.

 

Not a mistake.  See this drawing from the superb Penrhos website

I seem to recall someone noting that this was done to avoid the tail-lamp being kicked by the climber.

 

[corneliuslundie]

I thought about luggage racks, and concluded that they would never be visible while the vehicle was on the rails unless it was on a high viaduct and you were viewing it from "ground" level.

There certainly was a good reason for the inverted step, though of course I cannot now remember it. Was it as simple as to give more room underneath when putting the tail lamp on its bracket?

Jonathan

[Nick Holliday]

16 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

There certainly was a good reason for the inverted step, though of course I cannot now remember it. Was it as simple as to give more room underneath when putting the tail lamp on its bracket?

Jonathan

Serves me right for working from memory.  Russell (Coaches Part 1) suggests this was the reason, but without any evidence.

[ChrisN]

2 hours ago, Nick Holliday said:

Not a mistake.  See this drawing from the superb Penrhos website

I seem to recall someone noting that this was done to avoid the tail-lamp being kicked by the climber.

 

 

Nick,

Thank you.  It is one of those details that I would not pick up unless specifically looking at the steps, so this is useful.  I shall look to see if this was a usual feature.  If it was it is too late for the coaches already built.

[ChrisN]

57 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

I thought about luggage racks, and concluded that they would never be visible while the vehicle was on the rails unless it was on a high viaduct and you were viewing it from "ground" level.

There certainly was a good reason for the inverted step, though of course I cannot now remember it. Was it as simple as to give more room underneath when putting the tail lamp on its bracket?

Jonathan

 

Jonathan.

I always, or have so far, tried to make it that the lids come off my coaches so I could see the luggage racks if they were there.  I want to do it once, but not, for instance, on the first GWR clerestory that I build as 1) there will be lots of compartments so need lots of racks, and 2) it will set a (bad) precedent.  It will be one of the saloons, I think.

[Nick Holliday]

3 hours ago, ChrisN said:

 

Nick,

Thank you.  It is one of those details that I would not pick up unless specifically looking at the steps, so this is useful.  I shall look to see if this was a usual feature.  If it was it is too late for the coaches already built.

From the photos on the Penrhos site, and in Russell, I'm afraid that it does look as if it was the default installation, as most show it this way.  The ones that are different (i.e. normal!) seem, generally, to be in their dotage, and perhaps replacement with standard steps had been effected, perhaps without the fitter being aware of the difference. I wonder if the high level brackets that appeared later reduced or removed the need for the lower lamp-iron?

[Mikkel]

21 hours ago, ChrisN said:

Jonathan.

I always, or have so far, tried to make it that the lids come off my coaches so I could see the luggage racks if they were there.  I want to do it once, but not, for instance, on the first GWR clerestory that I build as 1) there will be lots of compartments so need lots of racks, and 2) it will set a (bad) precedent.  It will be one of the saloons, I think.

 

Regarding luggage racks and lids that come off (or in this case the sides, fitted with magnets), Dave's recent post here may provide a little inspiration:

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25145-cr-grampian-corridor-stock-part-6-some-details/

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Mikkel
Edited link

[Donw]

This style of canopy support seems to have been used at Barmouth and Dolgelley

 

 

Don

[MikeOxon]

Those brackets look rather fishy

[bgman]

29 minutes ago, MikeOxon said:

Those brackets look rather fishy

 

Apparently they had a whale of a time fitting them too ! 

[Compound2632]

30 minutes ago, MikeOxon said:

Those brackets look rather fishy

 

But notice how the shapes are the logical consequence of laying out a trefoil in each of those spaces, with three arcs.

[Edwardian]

13 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

But notice how the shapes are the logical consequence of laying out a trefoil in each of those spaces, with three arcs.

 

The bosses to the pendant are typical

[corneliuslundie]

Is that third photo Dolgelley Cambrian building? If so I think it is the first I have seen with such a clear view of the building.

Jonathan 

[Nick Gough]

Three going away shots this afternoon:

 

They must be on their way home!

[NCB]

4 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

Is that third photo Dolgelley Cambrian building? If so I think it is the first I have seen with such a clear view of the building.

Jonathan 

 Looks a useful prototype for a compact Cambrian building. Quite a steep descent from the road; wonder if steps might have been better. No double doors, so it appears wheeling bulky stuff inside wasn't intended. Wonder what the rear looked like; would the entrance to the ticket office be at the front or the back?

 

Caught glimpses of it when I moved to Aber in 1971 and intended to take some snaps, but by the time I got around to it it was gone.

 

Nigel

[ChrisN]

9 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Regarding luggage racks and lids that come off (or in this case the sides, fitted with magnets), Dave's recent post here may provide a little inspiration:

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25145-cr-grampian-corridor-stock-part-6-some-details/

 

 

Mikkel,

Thank you for this.  He does not say how he made the luggage rack and mirrors, or what thickness of plasticard.  I notice he has used a grid instead of netting, and Hattons will use bars.  I have considered the netting that goes around garlic bulbs but even that seems too big.  Sort seats, and the combination that he used would seem to be the way to go.  Food for thought. (With plenty of garlic. )

[bgman]

Chris, 

 

Albeit in 7mm I photographed the seating material in the GWR Steamrailmotor some years ago and then re-sized it to fit my scratch built coach interior. It was printed onto a strong adhesive backed paper and placed on the seat modules, not certain if it can be achieved in 4mm but might be worth trying ?

 

Also thought about the netting. Maybe place some lacemaking pins in two rows then wind a fine thread around and across in a diagonal pattern to replicate the netting on greaseproof sheeting. Glue each thread once done (PVA ? ) and cut to suit. Ok, probably a bit OTT  but if you can't find anything suitable or else look at what War-game hobbiests etc use ?

 

[ChrisN]

Here is a link to some more pictures, and one more, and this page has at least one more and some interesting ones of Barmouth, particularly the awning.

 

if anyone has a picture of the Cambrian signal box at Dolgelley please post it here as @Donw has been searching for one for a while.

[corneliuslundie]

Many thanks Chris. I had never found any of those. Now bookmarked.

Jonathan

[ChrisN]

1 hour ago, bgman said:

Chris, 

 

Albeit in 7mm I photographed the seating material in the GWR Steamrailmotor some years ago and then re-sized it to fit my scratch built coach interior. It was printed onto a strong adhesive backed paper and placed on the seat modules, not certain if it can be achieved in 4mm but might be worth trying ?

 

Also thought about the netting. Maybe place some lacemaking pins in two rows then wind a fine thread around and across in a diagonal pattern to replicate the netting on greaseproof sheeting. Glue each thread once done (PVA ? ) and cut to suit. Ok, probably a bit OTT  but if you can't find anything suitable or else look at what War-game hobbiests etc use ?

 

 

Thank you.  Fortunately, I believe that pattern was after 1895 so I am safe.

 

Believe it or not I had wondered about making the netting with cotton thread.  I will look at what the wargamers use though, it might be easier.

[Compound2632]

2 hours ago, ChrisN said:

Hattons will use bars.  

 

Based on those in a Mk1! Something I overlooked at the time when I was giving feedback - I was too focused on the exterior appearance.

[ChrisN]

On 17/09/2021 at 14:10, Nick Gough said:

Three going away shots this afternoon:

 

They must be on their way home!

 

My pictures of the bridge are not so stunning, and from the usual angle

 

 

 

A view from the bridge

 

 

 

Along the walkway

 

 

 

and the other way.

 

 

 

One with a train.  They appear to have withdrawn the Albions.

 

 

 

Finally one with the tide out.

 

 

 

What surprises me is that I did not take any from the other end.

Edited March 13, 2023 by ChrisN

[Donw]

 

 

Here is a somewhat different view of Barmouth

 

Don