Michael Delamar Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 here is a film of Terence Cuneo painting the Condor http://www.britishpathe.com/video/railway-artist one of my favourite diesel classes, highly recommend the Heljan model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 here is a film of Terence Cuneo painting the Condor http://www.britishpathe.com/video/railway-artist one of my favourite diesel classes, highly recommend the Heljan model. Competition then as Mr Chumberly - Warner loves Co Bo's too! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2014 Competition then as Mr Chumberly - Warner loves Co Bo's too! XF Tut Tut, it's Cholmondely-Warner. mIKR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Tut Tut, it's Cholmondely-Warner. mIKR. What's in a name when even the loco has an identity crisis? Am I CoBo or am I BoCo??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Surely it's Boco the Co-Bo Edited February 20, 2014 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Surely it's Boco the CoBo In my head, that sounds like a cross-dressing clown. Not that I've met any... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 In my head, that sounds like a cross-dressing clown. Not that I've met any... Come to Canada - cross-dressing clowns are all the rage here. Every time anyone gets a hold of any piece of passenger equipment from any era, it gets painted into the CNR "1954" paint scheme (which was officially applied for just seven years). It's even applied to locomotives that were heavily rebuilt in the 1980s. Now those are cross-dressing clowns, IMO. -Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I managed to build a Steve Beattie 7mm scale kit of a CoBo/BoCo/Metrovic/Wonderloaf/Class28, whatever you call them.... Just scroll past the superD and its there somewhere Jon F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 D5712 Shap Stn. 1.4.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr D5712 Shap Stn. 1.4.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr D5712 Shap Quarry 1.4.67 by George of Dufton, on Flickr D5703 Arnside Viaduct 2.5.68 by George of Dufton, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2014 Holy cow! Those spoked wheels are awesome. Streamlining hadn't caught on with diesels at that point, had it? It reminds me of CN 9000: http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/Various/early_diesels.htm Scroll down to 9000 and 9001. CN didn't properly dieselize until the early 1950s, and these beauties were delivered in 1928! -Jason If you think THOSE are unusual, try this site http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locoloco.htm Warning, you'll probably spend at lot of time exploring the site - lots more than this page! Home page is http://www.douglas-self.com/index.htm Boats powered by boiling petrol, yes boiling it! - anyone? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Was a consensus reached on whether it's a Co-Bo or a Bo-Co? Just thinking that if the OP's ever going to consummate this affair, it might be useful to have an idea of which end is which. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Was a consensus reached on whether it's a Co-Bo or a Bo-Co? Just thinking that if the OP's ever going to consummate this affair, it might be useful to have an idea of which end is which. I think Talltim got it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Curiosity well and truly has got the better of me. There's a Hornby Dublo CoBoBoCoWhatever on ebay currently just with a starting bid of 99p and another for sale "Buy It Now" for £265... Hmmm. Assuming the 99p loco will not sell for 99p, it does make Heljan's Cl.28 look attractively priced. I just don't need one. But I want one. Damnit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Was a consensus reached on whether it's a Co-Bo or a Bo-Co? Just thinking that if the OP's ever going to consummate this affair, it might be useful to have an idea of which end is which. I fell off my chair laughing at that one. -Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's a Co-Bo because the six wheel bogie is at No.1 end and therefore comes first in the description of the wheel arrangement Which I think confirms that BoCo is a Co-Bo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2014 Cobo, Boco, Booboo, Coco the clown. It's all bocollocks....................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I have Book No D.M.L. 0.573. titled British Railways Main Line Diesel Locomotive Diagrams. It has a stamp in it that states "British Railways Locomotive drawing Office 2 Apr 1963". It states on Diagram DE/2003/1 quotes "1200 H.P. Type 2 C-B Diesel Electric Locomotive". Incidentally, none of the diesel electric locos have an "o" on any of the diesel electric loco diagrams Edited so my sentence makes sense! Edited February 20, 2014 by 96701 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2014 I have Book No D.M.L. 0.573. titled British Railways Main Line Diesel Locomotive Diagrams. It has a stamp in it that states "British Railways Locomotive drawing Office 2 Apr 1963". It states on Diagram DE/2003/1 quotes "1200 H.P. Type 2 C-B Diesel Electric Locomotive". Incidentally, none of the diesel electric locos have an "o" on any of the diesel electric locos. Only goes to show that even some original documents can be wrong! Technically it was a Co-Bo as all axles were individually powered and that adds a lower case 'o' after the letter in capitals (which indicates the number of powered axles on each bogie). Thus the diesel hydraulics, which didn't have individually powered axles were B-B or C-C. Carrying axles were shown by a number - thus A1A-A1A for a loco with 6 wheeled bogies on which only the outer axles were powered and !Co-Co1 for locos on which the leading (or outer) wheelset on each bogie was unpowered and the other three axles were individually powered. It seems to be quite a common error to miss out the 'o' when it should be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2014 It seems to be quite a common error to miss out the 'o' when it should be there. bcllcks? Getting coat and leaving. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2014 Only goes to show that even some original documents can be wrong! Technically it was a Co-Bo as all axles were individually powered and that adds a lower case 'o' after the letter in capitals (which indicates the number of powered axles on each bogie). Thus the diesel hydraulics, which didn't have individually powered axles were B-B or C-C. Carrying axles were shown by a number - thus A1A-A1A for a loco with 6 wheeled bogies on which only the outer axles were powered and !Co-Co1 for locos on which the leading (or outer) wheelset on each bogie was unpowered and the other three axles were individually powered. It seems to be quite a common error to miss out the 'o' when it should be there. But the US does indeed use a system that misses out the lower case 'o' and is ignored - presumably on the basis that the vast majority of diesel & electric locomotives built in North America has had each axle independently powered. Therefore you only need to identify those that don't meet the 'norm'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAR_wheel_arrangement Since the UK now has much of its diesel fleet built in the US, perhaps this scheme will take take over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's a Co-Bo because the six wheel bogie is at No.1 end and therefore comes first in the description of the wheel arrangement Which I think confirms that BoCo is a Co-Bo You mean the good Reverend got it wrong then? ('BOCO' being the diesel being bullied by the two saddle tanks 'Bill' and 'Ben' in one of his TT books) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2014 You mean the good Reverend got it wrong then? ('BOCO' being the diesel being bullied by the two saddle tanks 'Bill' and 'Ben' in one of his TT books) Surely the Reverend never got things wrong? I always thought BoCo didn't arrive until Britt Allcroft persuaded his son to write some extra stories? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) I always thought BoCo didn't arrive until Britt Allcroft persuaded his son to write some extra stories? Nope, arrived in 1965 in book 21 "Main line engines". Edited February 23, 2014 by Kris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Surely the Reverend never got things wrong? I always thought BoCo didn't arrive until Britt Allcroft persuaded his son to write some extra stories? Britt Allcroft had a sex change operation? No wonder she changed her name from Hillary... I have the complete collection of the Rev's books but I'm not going to look it up because it sounds too nerdy to admit that. Best, Pete. Edited February 23, 2014 by trisonic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2014 The first 26 were written by the Rev, 27-42 by Chrisopher. Go on, take a peek and see if yours stop at 26 - you know you want to....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Awdry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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