Corbs' Cobbling - Is it electric?

[Annie]

Who parked that engine in front of that interesting open wagon.

[Compound2632]

1 minute ago, Annie said:

Who parked that engine in front of that interesting open wagon.

 

Ah, yes, I was trying to avoid being distracted by that. It's the equivalent of a glimpse of Victorian female ankle...

[Johnson044]

27 minutes ago, Corbs said:

I think it may appear in the Hardys Hobbies range at some point.

 

Here's an update on the Beyer-Peacock 4-4-0.

After considering every RAL colour under the sun I settled on green, how original.

 

 

Following HonestTom's tip about 'Trimits' these were fitted with Roket Card Glue to the cab front.

 

 

I've glued the body together now - the eagle-eyed will note that the running board snapped in front of the cab when I was cutting down the forward tanks. As such the boiler is now structural as the running board is araldited together along the break, and the cab and boiler are araldited together and in turn fixed to the running board. Hopefully it won't break again.

 

Meanwhile thanks to @BlueLightning another bodyshell arrived. It lasted all of 30 seconds before being dismantled.

 

 

The splashers have been filed flat on this one.

 

 

The idea here is to have two locos that were ordered to do different jobs but have shared boiler and cylinders and clearly by the same builder.

 

I tested an Electrotren chassis under it but the wheels are too small and the wheelbase too short, so another option will be needed. I'd like it to be a 2-6-2T but that rear overhang is substantial.

 

 

 

Oooh! That little 4-4-0 is shaping up beautifully. There's something of a Highland "Loch" about it. Any thoughts on a tender? One from a K's Kirtley 0-6-0 would suit very well and give a suitably Beyer Peacock look. Or maybe one from a Tri-ang Caley single? Very much looking forward to the end result.

[Skinnylinny]

That 4-4-0 is looking gorgeous, Corbs!

Alas, no photos of an M&SWJR round-ended open that I can find, but how about a corrugated-iron roofed brake van, courtesy of the HMRS?



Or a covered wagon:



Both built 1896 by the Gloucester Railway Carriage and Wagon Company.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Skinnylinny

[Annie]

28 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said:

Alas, no photos of an M&SWJR round-ended open that I can find, but how about a corrugated-iron roofed brake van, courtesy of the HMRS?

Ooooo very nice.  Thanks for posting those photos Linny.

[Compound2632]

@Skinnylinny Stop. Now. ...

[Ruston]

22 hours ago, Corbs said:

I'd like it to be a 2-6-2T but that rear overhang is substantial.

How about an 0-4-0+0-4-0 Mallet? A Hornby Peckett chassis to power it and a set of wheels, rods and cylinders, unpowered and on a plasticard chassis under the cab/bunker?

[Corbs]

On 18/11/2021 at 14:48, Ruston said:

How about an 0-4-0+0-4-0 Mallet? A Hornby Peckett chassis to power it and a set of wheels, rods and cylinders, unpowered and on a plasticard chassis under the cab/bunker?

 

You are a naughty cheeky boy putting ideas like that in my head.

 

BUT I think I'm set on doing a 2-6-2T inspired by the NSWGR 4-6-4T C30 class locos (also Beyer Peacock products). The only thing I kind of regret is that BP in this period didn't much go in for wagon top fireboxes and I should really have done a Belpaire. Maybe I can explain this as customers' choice?

Perhaps it will give me the opportunity to do another version of the 4-4-0 body with an upgraded Belpaire boiler later in life.

 

I think the prairie bunker does need cutting down, though.

Pic from facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=994965391063453&set=pcb.4585592948168268

 

 

Pic from UoNA
https://livinghistories.newcastle.edu.au/nodes/view/3700

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Corbs

[Mol_PMB]

That made me think of the CBSCR ‘Bandon tanks’:

 

[Compound2632]

Also Beyer, Peacock products.

[Corbs]

Slice goes the razor saw.

 

 

With a blob of araldite the bunker is thus shortened. The chassis I have settled on is the new style Terrier one giving this 2-6-2T 4' driving wheels.

 

 

Height checking with its stablemate. The cylinders are just black tacked on and will need the mounts adjusting to enable them to be mounted to the chassis. My plan is that the central driver will sit in the same place as on the 4-4-0, so if the cylinders are in line with the smokebox the conrod should be the right length.

 

I used the dremel to carve out space for the wheels under the running board.

 

The Adams Radial style square windows will not be staying, but I am undecided on keeping the rounded bunker corners or remaking them with sharp corners as with the Aussie loco.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Corbs

[Corbs]

Fancied some modelling today after having got a few big tasks out of the way.

 

Firstly on the 4-4-0 a little strip of brass trim was added to the firebox to disguise the join.

 

 

Then I started to refit details so it now looks like this while it awaits its tender.

 

 

Thanks to some of @Ben Alder's bashing, I now have some more donor parts. Here is an Oxford boiler and cab upper with a Hornby running board which is the combo I would use were I to make another 4-4-0 as both parts are plastic and (although would need strengthening)  would avoid the horrible task of cutting and grinding and filing the diecast metal.

 

 

Meanwhile the 2-6-2T takes shape, the boiler being extended as before.

 

 

Tank extensions made up from styrene,

 

 

and this Belpaire firebox is in the process of being grafted on.

 

 

Current state of play now the windows are being filed and filled. LOTS of filler and sanding still to do.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Corbs

[Johnson044]

Looking good! The 2-6-2 rather reminds me of the GWR absorbed locos from the Alexandra Docks Railway.

[Compound2632]

9 minutes ago, Johnson044 said:

Looking good! The 2-6-2 rather reminds me of the GWR absorbed locos from the Alexandra Docks Railway.

 

... which were Beyer, Peacock products (ex-Mersey Railway) so that demonstrates that what Corbs is doing is convincing!

[LNWR18901910]

23 hours ago, Corbs said:

Fancied some modelling today after having got a few big tasks out of the way.

 

Firstly on the 4-4-0 a little strip of brass trim was added to the firebox to disguise the join.

 

Then I started to refit details so it now looks like this while it awaits its tender.

 

 

Thanks to some of @Ben Alder's bashing, I now have some more donor parts. Here is an Oxford boiler and cab upper with a Hornby running board which is the combo I would use were I to make another 4-4-0 as both parts are plastic and (although would need strengthening)  would avoid the horrible task of cutting and grinding and filing the diecast metal.

 

 

Meanwhile the 2-6-2T takes shape, the boiler being extended as before.

 

 

Tank extensions made up from styrene,

 

 

and this Belpaire firebox is in the process of being grafted on.

 

Current state of play now the windows are being filed and filled. LOTS of filler and sanding still to do.

 

 

 

 

Nice Beyer Peacock 4-4-0! I'm making something similar myself, too! I am using an Oxford Rail Adams Radial Tank and a GWR Dean Single tender. Shall I explain it with you via PM?

[Corbs]

10 minutes ago, LNWR18901910 said:

Nice Beyer Peacock 4-4-0! I'm making something similar myself, too! I am using an Oxford Rail Adams Radial Tank and a GWR Dean Single tender. Shall I explain it with you via PM?

Thank you! You can PM me if you want but it might be a better idea to start a thread about it so you can share with more people than just me?

[Ravenser]

On 20/11/2021 at 00:51, Corbs said:

 

You are a naughty cheeky boy putting ideas like that in my head.

 

BUT I think I'm set on doing a 2-6-2T inspired by the NSWGR 4-6-4T C30 class locos (also Beyer Peacock products). The only thing I kind of regret is that BP in this period didn't much go in for wagon top fireboxes and I should really have done a Belpaire. Maybe I can explain this as customers' choice?

Perhaps it will give me the opportunity to do another version of the 4-4-0 body with an upgraded Belpaire boiler later in life.

 

I think the prairie bunker does need cutting down, though.

Pic from facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=994965391063453&set=pcb.4585592948168268

 

 

Pic from UoNA
https://livinghistories.newcastle.edu.au/nodes/view/3700

 

 

Nice photos.

 

It's worth pointing out that "Galloping Alice" is in fact a perfectly standard NSWGR Z25 class, but built for an English customer of Beyer Peacock.

 

Your 4-4-0 has strong resemblances to the two preserved NSWGR Beyer Peacok 4-4-0s , (see "Vintage Train") though those have Belpaire fireboxes.

 

And you might care to look up NSWGR classes Z20 (2-6-4T) and Z13 (4-4-2T) - the latter were tank conversions of 4-4-0s 

[cypherman]

On 17/11/2021 at 16:04, Corbs said:

I think it may appear in the Hardys Hobbies range at some point.

 

Here's an update on the Beyer-Peacock 4-4-0.

After considering every RAL colour under the sun I settled on green, how original.

 

 

Following HonestTom's tip about 'Trimits' these were fitted with Roket Card Glue to the cab front.

 

 

I've glued the body together now - the eagle-eyed will note that the running board snapped in front of the cab when I was cutting down the forward tanks. As such the boiler is now structural as the running board is araldited together along the break, and the cab and boiler are araldited together and in turn fixed to the running board. Hopefully it won't break again.

 

Meanwhile thanks to @BlueLightning another bodyshell arrived. It lasted all of 30 seconds before being dismantled.

 

 

The splashers have been filed flat on this one.

 

 

The idea here is to have two locos that were ordered to do different jobs but have shared boiler and cylinders and clearly by the same builder.

 

I tested an Electrotren chassis under it but the wheels are too small and the wheelbase too short, so another option will be needed. I'd like it to be a 2-6-2T but that rear overhang is substantial.

 

 

 

Hi Corbs,

Why not try a triang 2-6-2 3mt chassis. It is quite long.

[Corbs]

On 29/11/2021 at 23:08, cypherman said:

Hi Corbs,

Why not try a triang 2-6-2 3mt chassis. It is quite long.

I did try a Bachmann 4575 chassis but wasn't happy with it so in the end I've switched to using a modern Hornby Terrier one and cut down the bunker  

 

I have been #blessed with the arrival of some tenders so can move on with the 4-4-0 - hoping to put the battery and probably the receiver in the tender. Cutting the bunker off has made the loco rather front-heavy so I think it needs lead adding to the firebox end, probably a whitemetal crew as well (another reason to use the plastic Hornby running board in a 4-4-0 conversion, to have less nose weight).

[Greatnorthern1470]

I really like how the 4-4-0 looks! Have you decided what company it works for?

[Sandhole]

4 hours ago, Corbs said:

I did try a Bachmann 4575 chassis but wasn't happy with it so in the end I've switched to using a modern Hornby Terrier one and cut down the bunker  

 

I have been #blessed with the arrival of some tenders so can move on with the 4-4-0 - hoping to put the battery and probably the receiver in the tender. Cutting the bunker off has made the loco rather front-heavy so I think it needs lead adding to the firebox end, probably a whitemetal crew as well (another reason to use the plastic Hornby running board in a 4-4-0 conversion, to have less nose weight).

You could try hanging a weighted tender off the drawbar. First two axles free to move up and down , the back axle fixed. The weight of the tender is on the drawbar of the loco.
Chris.

[Corbs]

On 01/12/2021 at 00:48, Greatnorthern1470 said:

I really like how the 4-4-0 looks! Have you decided what company it works for?

 

Welllll in this version of the island, the Sodor & Mainland does a bit better than in the Awdryverse and survives to be amalgamated with the WSR and PGLR in 1915, so it'll be for that company 

 

On 01/12/2021 at 03:54, Sandhole said:

You could try hanging a weighted tender off the drawbar. First two axles free to move up and down , the back axle fixed. The weight of the tender is on the drawbar of the loco.
Chris.

 

Yeah I think it may be something like that, and pack a load of lead around the rear drivers where I can.

 

Latest progress....

 

Fill, sand, drill blah blah

 

 

This is one of the fantastic tenders printed by @Player of trains AKA Alec. I wanted to be sure about the drawbar so just in case I put a lot of train on the loco (unlikely but you never know) I araldited in a bit of brass rod for strength.

 

 

 

More Ford Laurel Green from Halfords gets applied. The green is easier to do first in this instance as then it is just a case of masking off a few large areas rather than lots of fiddly ones.

 

 

This morning while Sabina was at the market I got on with riveting! These are Archers O scale rivet decals. The black marks on the running board are marker pen to show me every 10mm or so.

 

 

Mocking up the various components to work out how to do the cylinders. I need to make a new frame stretcher type thing to move them apart slightly, and swap the crankpins in the centre wheelset.

On this side the rod has been swapped for one off a Dapol Terrier to see if the increased flat-ness works.

 

 

Here is what the 4-4-0 looks like. A few more details needed, plus it needs wiring up and the RC gear added.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Corbs

[Player of trains]

I'm really happy with how the tenders have come out Corbs and the 2-6-2 is really lovely, the terrier on my shelf should be fearing for its life about now.

[Johnson044]

I do so love a small 4-4-0!

 

[Greatnorthern1470]

What company is the PGLR?