stewartingram Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Better keep that lid closed Andy, it is vapourware after all, and it might evaporate! Well done Dave, the wait has been worthwhile. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Nice box. Just so I don't have to do one of those unboxing videos that I hate with a passion I can tell you it has a lid which comes off, foam cover tied with a yellow ribbon (like the Kernow products), accessories in press-seal bags, instruction leaflet and some dark spongy foam. There; that's saved 10 minutes of your life you'd never get back. Very sturdy, like a traditional Heljan box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just so I don't have to do one of those unboxing videos that I hate with a passion I can tell you it has a lid which comes off, foam cover tied with a yellow ribbon (like the Kernow products), accessories in press-seal bags, instruction leaflet and some dark spongy foam. There; that's saved 10 minutes of your life you'd never get back. Very sturdy, like a traditional Heljan box. You're a spoilsport, that's what you are. Now I know the ending I can't 'enjoy' the film Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted June 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just so I don't have to do one of those unboxing videos Hi I must admit I've never seen the point of them, my son seems to like them though. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I find "unboxing" videos cringeworthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Will there be a prototypical gap between the bottom of the chimney and the top of the saddle tank? P Edited to put in the missing letters. >?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I did post some pics earlier but discussions with Dave reveal that the factory has omitted some details and included some details that shouldn't have been there on the press samples. More in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2016 How does it run, compared to the Hornby one ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 A lot sweeter on initial tests, not run it on any pointwork yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just so I don't have to do one of those unboxing videos that I hate with a passion I can tell you it has a lid which comes off, foam cover tied with a yellow ribbon (like the Kernow products), accessories in press-seal bags, instruction leaflet and some dark spongy foam. There; that's saved 10 minutes of your life you'd never get back. Very sturdy, like a traditional Heljan box. And I thought I was alone in detesting those wasted minutes in reviews explaining how the thing comes in a box. Some even go to great pains reading all the stuff written on the box too. They could improve on that by reading all the instruction sheets and manufacturers guarantee as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 A re-posting by me to compare the DJM Austerity which is an exclusive edition for Hatton's - I've been doing the pictures for Ben's review in BRM but thought I'd take a different angle here and compare it with the Dapol/Hornby model. Hornby currently offer an Austerity for £74.99 compared to the Hatton's exclusive model model at £99. (Click to enlarge images) Observational notes on where the differences lie: More accurate dimensions, especially in height Absence of horizontal seam at the bottom of the tank sides Correct dished-pattern wheel centres Lack of intrusion beneath boiler Absence of incorrect vertical seams in tankside Improved chassis shape and detail Improved wheel profile Representation of inside motion Finer handrails and handrail knobs Correct length handrail over smokebox Correct chimeny shape Improved dome shape Improved cab bachead detail and planking Nicely seated chimney to blend with body Finer bufferbeam detail Finer lamp brackets Finer cab-roof detail Improved step detail More accurate tank filler-cap Brake-rodding Non-intrusive sprung buffers Smokebox-door dart Correct bufferbeam height Strengthening fillets behind bufferbeam Brake-piping and fire iron accessory set Improved running and gearing Negatives: Holes in bufferbeam for brake hoses (this version didn't have them) Injector pipe moulding, a big improvement on the Hornby offering although it would be nice if it were a lot finer but it's a moulding issue Lack of cosmetic couplings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2016 Interesting comparison. Incidentally in your penultimate sentence I think you might mean 'injector' and not 'ejector' ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 The wheels are nicer and the tank seam is gone, but personally I think this shows how very close Dapol actually got 33 years ago. The injectors and steps are still too chunky though and adding the rivets doesn't hide that fact.Bachmann have been moulding very fine injector detail (including round pipes) for a while now. The non-blended chimney isn't necessarily an error according to prototype photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 The DJ models Austerity shows up the 30 year-old Dapol/Hornby tooling (at £74.99!), as representing poor value for the modeler IMO. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meld9003 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 The wheels are nicer and the tank seam is gone, but personally I think this shows how very close Dapol actually got 33 years ago. The injectors and steps are still too chunky though and adding the rivets doesn't hide that fact.Bachmann have been moulding very fine injector detail (including round pipes) for a while now. The non-blended chimney isn't necessarily an error according to prototype photos. Agreed. There's some very chunky moulding - compare the thickness of the bunkers - the Hornby one is actually better! The DJM one is a better model overall, but then it should be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 i am seriously tempted by the bickershaw hurricane hattons special, but how easy is it to Em gauge these? for a ham-fisted ape like me that is a deal breaker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 The DJ models Austerity shows up the 30 year-old Dapol/Hornby tooling (at £74.99!), as representing poor value for the modeler IMO. Paul A. However a cheap secondhand one will tart up nicely! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 However a cheap secondhand one will tart up nicely! Mark Saunders It will also carve up nicely to get to some of the versions Dave doesn't reach (Lambton cab with kit, Geisl ejector etc...) They look quite good when really grotty. This one even has wheel flats (I'm not sure what is knocking but it sounds right)- it is a pre-Hornby job chipped and still running reliably despite the knocking. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 but how easy is it to Em gauge these? Can't be certain and I'm probably repeating myself but I'm sure I've read in the past that each of the axles are driven via a gear-train. If that is the case it may complicate conversion. Maybe it will be possible just to pull the wheels out on the axles? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete55 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Can't be certain and I'm probably repeating myself but I'm sure I've read in the past that each of the axles are driven via a gear-train. If that is the case it may complicate conversion. Maybe it will be possible just to pull the wheels out on the axles? P If the chassis construction is anything along the lines of the Beattie Well Tank and the Kernow 02, pulling the wheels is probably the best bet. Somewhere in the 02 thread, someone has shown how they did this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted July 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2016 Agreed. There's some very chunky moulding - compare the thickness of the bunkers - the Hornby one is actually better! The DJM one is a better model overall, but then it should be! There is indeed. Very interesting comparing it to the Hattons 14/58XX EP's a week or so ago, the Hattons led design 14XX has far more finesse to it. Also the glazing is very thick (Ambis do a replacement set for the Hornby version that might work) and there's no internal rear cab detailing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Cheers Pete. OT but had a look at the Q6 chassis yesterday. Shouldn't be too difficult to ream the brass bearings to 1/8 inch for you EM'ers. May not even need reaming looking at the play in six of the bearings. The crosshead looks like it will need some work to provide sufficient clearance though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 There is indeed. Very interesting comparing it to the Hattons 14/58XX EP's a week or so ago, the Hattons led design 14XX has far more finesse to it. j94rc.jpg Also the glazing is very thick (Ambis do a replacement set for the Hornby version that might work) and there's no internal rear cab detailing. The Ambis Etch for the prototype 50550 provides a full set of steps. Looking at the current Ambis price list there looks to be a new etch that just does steps and frame gussets. http://ambisengineering.co.uk/productList.pdf I was hoping the fitting of after market detailing parts might have been a thing of the past with this release but it seems like there will still be work to do. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 The Ambis Etch for the prototype 50550 provides a full set of steps. Looking at the current Ambis price list there looks to be a new etch that just does steps and frame gussets. http://ambisengineering.co.uk/productList.pdf I was hoping the fitting of after market detailing parts might have been a thing of the past with this release but it seems like there will still be work to do. P Show me 1, just 1 UK RTR model that has never needed an after market detailing part (if your of that ilk to fit them of course) and I'll hereby eat my hat. It's sitting here waiting and smelling of delicious licorice by the way. Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2016 Plastic moulding has its limits but it does have significant cost savings compared to forming and fitting etch parts. No doubt Dave could have delivered the ultimate model for around three times the price and still been cheaper than a custom etch kit build but how many would afford it? The Kernow TC has thick plastic steps too because they wouldn't last long if scale as they'd be unbelievably fragile. The model is a decent step forward in looks and the Hornby one can continue to offer a budget option so duplication with a point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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