Steve's 4mm workbench. Sound at last!

[sb67]

30 minutes ago, jessy1692 said:

Looks a good bit of old fashioned hacking there! I think the chassis is that nylon plastic, I find that Gorrilla Glue superglue is pretty good on it as long as the area to be glued up has been roughened up. Araldite should work fine too.

Thanks for the reminder I probably need disc brake inserts for mine!

All the best

James

 

i've got some Gorilla superglue, only thing is I like the setting time of the araldite, it's still workable for about 5 mins. I'm going to try something different on the next one, I wondered if I could take off the round boss and surrounding ridges on the frame and not have to cut the wheel bogies as they are difficult to keep even. That should still reduce the height by a couple of mm.

We'll see.

[sb67]

I've finished lowering the wagons, painting and weathering next, starting with the interiors.  I might make one into a version that was put into departmental use later on in their life, need to do some research on that one. 

The others will be faded versions of the original liveries, can anyone help me with paint for faded railfreight red? 

 

 

 

 

[westernviscount]

12 minutes ago, sb67 said:

I've finished lowering the wagons, painting and weathering next, starting with the interiors.  I might make one into a version that was put into departmental use later on in their life, need to do some research on that one. 

The others will be faded versions of the original liveries, can anyone help me with paint for faded railfreight red? 

 

 

 

 

Hi Steve. Wagons look better now lowered. I think MRJ 284 had an article about a cavelex BBA which involved the fading of the livery. I think it involved pink!!! 

[sb67]

Thanks David, I did fade some wagons a while back using an airbrush and flesh tone but they looked a bit too uniform. I was hoping to brush paint them this time. I might have that MRJ so I'll check that out. 

I was also thinking of sheeting one too, would you know how big tarpaulins would be on the railways? In the photo I have I cant see if it's one massive sheet. 

[sb67]

2 hours ago, westernviscount said:

Hi Steve. Wagons look better now lowered. I think MRJ 284 had an article about a cavelex BBA which involved the fading of the livery. I think it involved pink!!! 

 

Thanks David, I did fade some wagons a while back using an airbrush and flesh tone but they looked a bit too uniform. I was hoping to brush paint them this time. I might have that MRJ so I'll check that out. 

I was also thinking of sheeting one too, would you know how big tarpaulins would be on the railways? In the photo I have I cant see if it's one massive sheet. 

[westernviscount]

10 minutes ago, sb67 said:

 

Thanks David, I did fade some wagons a while back using an airbrush and flesh tone but they looked a bit too uniform. I was hoping to brush paint them this time. I might have that MRJ so I'll check that out. 

I was also thinking of sheeting one too, would you know how big tarpaulins would be on the railways? In the photo I have I cant see if it's one massive sheet. 

 

I imagine using a faded version of the colour you want to fade over the top would have better result than one colour like white or flesg tone. So a pink over the red and a very light grey over the grey. Perhaps apply as a thinned wash with a brush? I must say I havent ever done it myself!

 

As for the sheet, I have had a look at Paul Bartlett and the sheets are one huge piece. Most pics are early 80s so someone with more knowledge than me is needed for any details. 

 

One pic shows 3 sheets, one on top of the other. 

 

I would be tempted to perhaps sculpt the sheeting out of das clay (the guy who did morfa bank sidings does this). Trying to get material or paper to sit right and crease to scale might prove tricky. 

[sb67]

2 hours ago, westernviscount said:

 

I imagine using a faded version of the colour you want to fade over the top would have better result than one colour like white or flesg tone. So a pink over the red and a very light grey over the grey. Perhaps apply as a thinned wash with a brush? I must say I havent ever done it myself!

 

As for the sheet, I have had a look at Paul Bartlett and the sheets are one huge piece. Most pics are early 80s so someone with more knowledge than me is needed for any details. 

 

One pic shows 3 sheets, one on top of the other. 

 

I would be tempted to perhaps sculpt the sheeting out of das clay (the guy who did morfa bank sidings does this). Trying to get material or paper to sit right and crease to scale might prove tricky. 

 

The DAS clay is a good idea, I was going to use PVA soaked paper but I'll look into using DAS.

I added some strips of plastic on the interior of one to see what it looked like, it's meant to represent the inner uprights I've seen in photos. I know detail of older wagon interiors is a bit sparse and I could also add the uprights in between the side doors but I might leave it at that. At least I wont have to worry with the sheeted ones! 

 

 

 

[chuffinghell]

How on earth have I missed this thread  following now though Steve 

 

Chris

[sb67]

On 17/01/2022 at 21:12, chuffinghell said:

How on earth have I missed this thread  following now though Steve 

 

Chris

Thanks Chris, hopefully some updates soon. Going to paint the wagon interiors next. 

[jessy1692]

On 17/01/2022 at 20:48, sb67 said:

 

The DAS clay is a good idea, I was going to use PVA soaked paper but I'll look into using DAS.

I added some strips of plastic on the interior of one to see what it looked like, it's meant to represent the inner uprights I've seen in photos. I know detail of older wagon interiors is a bit sparse and I could also add the uprights in between the side doors but I might leave it at that. At least I wont have to worry with the sheeted ones! 

 

 

 

Iv used tunnocks caramel wafer wrappers plain side up for sheeted loads, form it over a block of something and then paint the desired colour. I think it makes a good representation and most importantly a valid excuse to eat half a pack in one sitting!

Cheers

James

Edited January 20, 2022 by jessy1692

[sb67]

48 minutes ago, jessy1692 said:

Iv used tunnocks caramel wafer wrappers plain side up for sheeted loads, form it over a block of something and then paint the desired colour. I think it makes a good representation and most importantly a valid excuse to eat half a pack in one sitting!

Cheers

James

 

Thanks James, I'm sure I can manage that, at least the first part of the process! 

[Enterprisingwestern]

7 hours ago, sb67 said:

 

Thanks James, I'm sure I can manage that, at least the first part of the process! 

 

I think we can all manage the first part of the process all too easily!, it's the excellent job of fitting and finishing I would struggle with.

 

Mike.

[Enterprisingwestern]

7 hours ago, sb67 said:

 

Thanks James, I'm sure I can manage that, at least the first part of the process! 

 

I think we can all manage the first part of the process all too easily!, it's the excellent job of fitting and finishing I would struggle with.

 

Mike.

[sb67]

A bit of progress, I've weathered the inside of one of the wagons, just need to add some powders. I was given a youtube link and I used that method on this one. Next time I'll use some washes to get some weathered effects. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIoGi3bTKQ

 

 

[sb67]

Finished my other two wagons using only brown and grey washes over the base coat, might add some powders, not sure yet. 

Next up the liveries and tarpaulins on two more.

 

 

 

 

[sb67]

The wagons have been painted and had transfers applied, I looked at the excellent Paul Bartlett website for ideas as to where to put the logos etc and there's so many variations. Next up I'll paint a few odd planks as per some pics I've been looking at then a coat of varnish before weathering and painting the underframe. There's a bit of a sheen around the transfers but hopefully the varnish will sort that. 

 

 

 

 

[lapford34102]

Excellent Steve, I'll put my two in the post :-)

 

Stu

[sb67]

7 hours ago, lapford34102 said:

Excellent Steve, I'll put my two in the post :-)

 

Stu

 

Thanks Stu, there's still a bit of work to do and they are nowhere near as detailed as other people have done but as relatively simple exercise in trying new methods and techniques I'm pleased with how they've turned out. 

[James Makin]

Looking beautiful Steve! 

[griffgriff]

Regarding fading ….. I’ve had good results tinting matt varnish with light grey. It sprays on better than thin paint which tends to create a wash effect highlighting parts that do not require highlights. 
 

Griff

[ess1uk]

Great wagons 

[sb67]

Thanks for the comments. 

I've finished two of the wagons and as a low cost project to try out different methods I quite like them. I'd want to put a load in the one without interior detail, or cover it with a tarpaulin, just need to find some reference pics. 

 

 

 

The wagon with interior detail was repainted in a faded red while the other one was faded using matt varnish tinted with white. A dark wash was used to get in all the nooks and crannies and powders used after that. 

Still got some more to finish in bauxite and I've got to think about how to make a tarpaulin! 

 

[Enterprisingwestern]

17 minutes ago, sb67 said:

or cover it with a tarpaulin, just need to find some reference pics. 

 

 

There is a picture of a (poorly) tarpaulined OAA in the Larkin standard BR wagon book.

 

Mike.

[sb67]

6 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

There is a picture of a (poorly) tarpaulined OAA in the Larkin standard BR wagon book.

 

Mike.

 

Ok, thanks Mike, I have some of the Larkins books so I'll have a look. 

[Shed]

I like those wagons