D410Monarch Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, woodenhead said: They look dirty rather than black they were definitely black back then , if it was dirt ,the orange squares wouldn't look so orange in the picture I reckon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Horse Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 20/08/2021 at 19:29, montyburns56 said: 50019 Lostwithiel 1986 by David Rostance Did NSE and milk tanks really crossover......I'd have never of said that 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Iron Horse said: Did NSE and milk tanks really crossover......I'd have never of said that That's why I posted it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Hide and Peak. Lostwithiel 50030 1976 by KDH Archive 18 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 22 hours ago, Iron Horse said: Did NSE and milk tanks really crossover......I'd have never of said that The last official milk train from Cornwall to London ran in October 1980 with 50 017 working a load of the old six wheeled tanks, those newer tanks in the photo were built for emergencies but I think I've only ever seen one photo of them in operation. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Horse Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ah, thank you, that makes a little more sense 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) On 25/07/2021 at 20:00, montyburns56 said: D426 Carnforth 1968 by George Woods Crewe Railway Works in 1968 by f22photographie D415 + D409 + D407 at Crewe North Junction 1968 by Anthony Guppy D406 Crewe Works 1970 by Trevor Casey Great to see these very early photos of the D4xx - for anyone visiting Crewe post 1967/68 these were a major feature, the Anglo-Scottish trains changing locos electric/diesel and vice versa at Crewe. Nice to see the cab fronts uncluttered with multiple working equipment but what I hadn’t appreciated, and is visible from these photos, is they appear to have been built with blanking plates covering the areas to allow its future fitting. Which begs the question why it wasn’t fitted from the start? I can’t remember what date double heading of class 50s was introduced across Shap but presumably this enabled a speed up of services in advance of electrification - 5500 hp being available - and multiple working. Edited September 1, 2021 by MidlandRed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Rugd1022 said: The last official milk train from Cornwall to London ran in October 1980 with 50 017 working a load of the old six wheeled tanks, those newer tanks in the photo were built for emergencies but I think I've only ever seen one photo of them in operation. I've posted some here.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, MidlandRed said: Nice to see the cab fronts uncluttered with multiple working equipment but what I hadn’t appreciated, and is visible from these photos, is they appear to have been built with blanking plates covering the areas to allow its future fitting. Which begs the question why it wasn’t fitted from the start? I can’t remember what date double heading of class 50s was introduced across Shap but presumably this enabled a speed up of services in advance of electrification - 5500 hp being available. I'm only speculating, but as they were introduced at the very end of steam, perhaps BR just wanted to get them into traffic ASAP? Or perhaps EE were struggling to get the MU system working reliably? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 30/08/2021 at 11:13, D410Monarch said: they were definitely black back then , if it was dirt ,the orange squares wouldn't look so orange in the picture I reckon I think has come up before. Weren’t they are dark olive or something, rather than a proper black? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D410Monarch Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, brushman47544 said: I think has come up before. Weren’t they are dark olive or something, rather than a proper black? I will bow to your knowledge but they were not orange back then though . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 20:01, montyburns56 said: D401 Preston 1968 by George Woods Presuming the date is correct, D401 had orange MU fittings from 1968. So presumably there was a mixture. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, MidlandRed said: Presuming the date is correct, D401 had orange MU fittings from 1968. So presumably there was a mixture. So did D400, but they were both factory fitted from new, so perhaps the retro fitted ones were black?? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 31/08/2021 at 12:05, Rugd1022 said: those newer tanks in the photo were built for emergencies but I think I've only ever seen one photo of them in operation. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got to ask, otherwise I'll be scratching my head for all eternity. Milk tanks built for emergencies. Wh... What type of emergencies are we talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted September 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, LU_fan said: I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got to ask, otherwise I'll be scratching my head for all eternity. Milk tanks built for emergencies. Wh... What type of emergencies are we talking about? Something about strategic reserve? Maybe we need them now, as McDonalds have run out of milk shakes, and the Arla super dairy at Aylesbury was blockaded by Animal Rebellion (an offshoot from the Extinction Rebellion lot) the other day.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D410Monarch Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 10 hours ago, montyburns56 said: So did D400, but they were both factory fitted from new, so perhaps the retro fitted ones were black?? no orange square coupling codes on the first 2 even though they had the factory fitted mw cables or did coupling codes come along later ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted September 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) On 01/09/2021 at 20:35, LU_fan said: I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got to ask, otherwise I'll be scratching my head for all eternity. Milk tanks built for emergencies. Wh... What type of emergencies are we talking about? In the book Diesels in the Duchy by John Vaughan, Ian Allan, 1983, there is a photograph of one of the TMV tankers at Lostwithiel with the following caption: ”After the milk trains had been withdrawn from the West Country and scores of the tankers had been cut up for scrap it was with some surprise that ‘new’ four and six-wheeled tankers were produced by W.H.Davis Ltd. The frames of the old wagons, mainly those fitted with roller bearings, had brand new stainless steel tanks fitted for use in emergencies - for example in severe weather.” I have yet to see any evidence that these renovated tankers were ever used in Cornwall (but happy to be proved wrong) but I suspect that it would have been these wagons that were used on the short-lived workings between Chard and Stowmarket. Edited September 4, 2021 by Western Aviator 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LU_fan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Western Aviator said: The frames of the old wagons, mainly those fitted with roller bearings, had brand new stainless steel tanks fitted for use in emergencies - for example in severe weather.” Severe weather? Okay? Not quite sure how milk tanks would be of any use in those circumstances. Could it be because delivery by truck would be too risky...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 D407 Preston 1968 by Preston Digital Archive 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 ^^^ What was that large wooden structure behind the lean-to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Welly said: ^^^ What was that large wooden structure behind the lean-to? I think it was the goods shed; there was a similar building at Liskeard. I think 'emergencies' may have been too strong a word; I believe the wagons were intended to cover seasonal shortages in milk production at creameries in the east of the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fat Controller said: I think it was the goods shed; there was a similar building at Liskeard. I think 'emergencies' may have been too strong a word; I believe the wagons were intended to cover seasonal shortages in milk production at creameries in the east of the UK. I think he's referring to the photo at Preston. Edited September 4, 2021 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 12:41, LU_fan said: Severe weather? Okay? Not quite sure how milk tanks would be of any use in those circumstances. Could it be because delivery by truck would be too risky...? I wonder if they were thinking of a hot summer similar to 1976, and transport of water supplies by rail to fill emergency bowsers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 1989 at Teignmouth, with 50036 on a passenger service of NSE Mk1s/2s 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Horse Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 That's a cracking photo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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