Jack374 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Hi all, I have recently purchased 8 Lima PTA Iron Ore tippler wagons and intend to make these into JUA wagons A few questions... 1. Are there transfers available to renumber the wagons (Data panels etc.), because I know a kit has been previously produced, so did transfers come with the kit? 2. What Bogies are used? They look like the same as used on the FNA nuclear wagon (Y25?), so are these (or the right type) available as spares or a kit? 3. What colour paint is used? it is a metallic dull/dark silver I think? Another question I have is not at all connected to these wagons... Are all cantrail orange stripes at the same height? Or are they just the same place on each loco (Roof/body transition) Thankyou for reading this, any thoughts or information is very useful to me Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The Lima model is closest to the BREL built batch, that works Immingham-Scunthorpe circuit. These have FTB6 bogies (available from Cambrian). There are not really like any of the other Iron Ore/Stone fleets, which have a different body and Axle Motion bogies, I know of Appleby transfers for this type for the pale blue British Steel livery. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Many thanks for that Jon, I can't find Appleby Models anywhere but I'll keep looking. I'll order the bogies if my local model shop don't have them (they stock Cambrian, so they should, or be able to order them for me ) Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Some of the photos here may help http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscscunthorpetippler I had a Lima model for sale via the Ebor Group exhibition and I was surprised it took two goes before this was purchased, whereas poorer models were all snapped up! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Thanks Paul, I have quite a few photos, but some on there could prove very useful. Having looked loads I think I'll have to make the transfers or order them to be made specially, cannot find them anywhere! Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted April 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2014 Hi all, I have recently purchased 8 Lima PTA Iron Ore tippler wagons and intend to make these into JUA wagons A few questions... 1. Are there transfers available to renumber the wagons (Data panels etc.), because I know a kit has been previously produced, so did transfers come with the kit? 3. What colour paint is used? it is a metallic dull/dark silver I think? Hi Jack On the paint I would go for rust! They were originally black on the body IIRC (with orange for the rotary coupling end) but they are heavily weathered now as shown in your pics. John Talbot (of Appleby) is demoing at DEMU's Showcase on 31 May/1 June - if you can't make it then I'll try to ask him (though please remind me nearer to the time as I've got a lot to sort out for the show!). Cheers, Mike Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 John Isherwood published this on here in another stream for Appleby's details:- "The postal address that I have is :- Appleby Model Engineering,10 St. Dunstans Close,Battenhall,Worcester,WR5 2AJ. Regards, John Isherwood." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 These photos might help with the weathering, though you'll still have to guess what the main body colour was:- http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/J-/JUA-Iron-Ore-tippler-inner/ Note how low the load is in the wagon- that's about 70t of ore! I remember seeing a shot of pre-tippler ore-loading at Immingham- the wagons were a mixture of whatever was available, and the 13t opens looked as though someone hadn't made a very good job of cleaning the wagon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 Thanks Brian, me thinks black, then heavy rust weathering! Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hi Jack, I used weathering powders for my rake of JUAs, here are some photos: Let me know if I can pass on any information that might help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 They're brilliant Grimley, I take it they're the kit built ones though... What transfers did you use? Are they the Appleby ones, or have you made them yourself? Thanks anyway, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Jack, don't know if you've noticed, but the JUA code is only for "inner" wagons, so you'll need a pair of JTA "outer" ones (with buffers one end) as well. http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/J-/JTA-Iron-Ore-tippler-outer#!/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hi Jack, thanks I am very pleased with them. I have to confess that I am a big fan of the Immingham to Scunthorpe Iron ores, especially with a 60 on the front! Yes they were kits, I cannot remember the name of the company that produced them. The Gentleman used to be a member on here. I was very lucky and managed to purchase the kits just before he finished producing them. They are lovely wagons, the kits were superb and make a really nice model of the real thing. I did the transfers myself in Adobe Illustrator and had them printed as dry rub-down transfers. Hope that helps. Good luck with your project, I will be following with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hi Jack, thanks I am very pleased with them. I have to confess that I am a big fan of the Immingham to Scunthorpe Iron ores, especially with a 60 on the front! Yes they were kits, I cannot remember the name of the company that produced them. The Gentleman used to be a member on here. I was very lucky and managed to purchase the kits just before he finished producing them. They are lovely wagons, the kits were superb and make a really nice model of the real thing. I did the transfers myself in Adobe Illustrator and had them printed as dry rub-down transfers. Hope that helps. Good luck with your project, I will be following with interest. Was it Andersley? I recollect someone of this name making a resin/cast kit of one of the sliding-roof coil carriers that used surplus ore-tippler chassis. I'm sure someone took over his range, after he went back to modelling North American railways. I just found this:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/httpwwwpeakdaleworkscom/6661757691/ with a note from Alan Curtis, the man responsible for Andersley. From his comment about the person who took over the rights, I wonder if it was S-Kits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hi Brian, you are indeed correct it was Andersley kits by Alan Curtis. I really fancied a few of the JSA hooded steel carriers, they too were an excellent kit. My understanding was that S-Kits had the moulds and equipment to produce the kits. Hopefully at some point in the future they will all become available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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