Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[DaveF]

Northumberland again today with some loco hauled trains  as well as one HST at Ulgham Lane crossing on the ECML.

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 31409 Berwick to Newcastle 17th Aug 87 C9005.jpg

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 37113 up oil 3rd September 88 C11504.jpg

 

 

Ulgham Lane 43054 up 14th Oct 89 C13791.jpg

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 56082 up coal 22nd Feb 94 C19298.jpg

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 56051 down empties 8th April 94 C19393.jpg

 

 

David

Edited September 21, 2019 by DaveF

[MarshLane]

Hi David,

Please do keep posting, I don't comment much, but these are superb.

 

Rich

[melmerby]

By posting photos that are of the same place on different dates we get a nice "then and now" progression.

Such as:

No electrification September 88

A few masts October 89

All wired up Feb 94

 

Thanks again Dave.

[The Stationmaster]

Dave an excellent reason for visiting Stirling, even in the early 1990s, was the signals although the last of the Caley lower quadrant arms went in the decade.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Ulgham Lane crossing photo’s, which are so full of interest. In the first one, C9005, with class 31, 31409, and four Mk1 carriages, on a Berwick to Newcastle service on the 17th August, 1987, you can see no first class accommodation since it would have been substituting for a DMU. First class had been abolished for some time on local services by that date.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

 

[ba14eagle]

On ‎17‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 17:56, Market65 said:

Hi, Dave. I like the photo’s of the WCML to the south of Carlisle. All are full of interest and nostalgia. I particularly like C18345, at Penrith, with 87025, on a Penzance to Edinburgh express on the 6th March, 1993. The 87 makes a fine sight from the three quarters view from the rear, and to think that such trains are now XC Voyagers.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

I think its highly unlikely this is a XC train, as the coach is a mk3, which (other than sleeping cars) only ever appeared in the West Country on trains from the North West & Midlands on Summer Saturdays, when WCML sets were pressed into service. I don't ever recall seeing a West Country to Scotland train formed of Mk3. 

[Andrew P]

7 hours ago, MarshLane said:

Hi David,

Please do keep posting, I don't comment much, but these are superb.

 

Rich

Spot on Rich, I do enjoy my daily fix of such quality pics.

[35A]

4 hours ago, ba14eagle said:

I think its highly unlikely this is a XC train, as the coach is a mk3, which (other than sleeping cars) only ever appeared in the West Country on trains from the North West & Midlands on Summer Saturdays, when WCML sets were pressed into service. I don't ever recall seeing a West Country to Scotland train formed of Mk3. 

 

Mark IIIs did (occasionally) wander off route, though. Here's a shot of 47 854 at Banbury in 2001, on a Manchester to Paddington train (IIRC), on a weekday, with a Mark III FO behind the loco. The rest of the train was standard Mark IIe/IIf stock. The fact that there was a Mark III in the formation is the reason that I photographed it.

 

[DaveF]

 

This morning's photos are a selection from visits to the Great Central Railway from the mid 70s to the early 80s.

 

Most of the photos are Dad's, at the time he lived about 40 minutes away so quite often went there.  

 

It's interesting to note the changes in motive power over the years, starting with industrial tanks.

 

 

Quorn and Woodhouse Hunslet Robert Nelson No 4 Mar 75 J4170.jpg

 

 

Quorn Littleton No 5 Loughborough to Rothley 30th May 76 C2743.jpg

 

 

Quorn and Woodhouse N2 4744 Sept 78 J6336.jpg

 

 

Loughborough Central ex LNER TPO Sept 81 J7584.jpg

 

 

Loughborough Central LNER B1 1306 Sept 81 J7586.jpg

 

 

Loughborough Class 14 D9523 and ano March 83 J7846.jpg

 

 

David

[DaveF]

 

A quick visit to Altrincham in September 1990 when I had time to take a few photos.

 

Sadly I never got around to looking at the line while I lived in Manchester when it still had the old 1500VDC electrics.

 

 

Altrincham 304042 Altrincham to Alderley Edge 8th Sept 90 C15379.jpg

 

 

Altrincham 304042 Altrincham to Alderley Edge 8th Sept 90 C15380.jpg

 

 

Altrincham 304042 8th Sept 90 C15381

 

 

Altrincham Class 108 Chester to Mancester Piccadilly via Stockport 8th Sept 90 C15382.jpg

 

 

Altrincham Class 108 Chester to Manchester Piccadilly via Stockport 8th Sept 90 C15383.jpg

 

 

David

 

[russ p]

Great pictures David,  before piccadilly got 25kv was this line connected electrically to the woodhead? 

[flapland]

The line from London Road to Altrincham was electrified earlier the the Woodhead line and according to the following Wikipedia entry were never connected.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester,_South_Junction_and_Altrincham_Railway#1500_V_DC_electrification

 

[DaveF]

41 minutes ago, russ p said:

Great pictures David,  before piccadilly got 25kv was this line connected electrically to the woodhead? 

 

17 minutes ago, flapland said:

The line from London Road to Altrincham was electrified earlier the the Woodhead line and according to the following Wikipedia entry were never connected.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester,_South_Junction_and_Altrincham_Railway#1500_V_DC_electrification

 

 

 

They were never connected.  

 

The line between Piccadilly and Oxford Road was electrified at 25KV as part of the 1960s electrification.

 

David

[uax6]

The first GC shot shows that it was still operating under BR's license, note the Pilotman with his armband wandering off down the platform....

 

Andy G

[russ p]

Was it still connected to BR then?

[uax6]

I don't think so, I think it was part of the leasing arrangement before the granting of a TWA to the GCR. There was an article in The Railway Magazine a few months back that went into the details, but I've passed the mag on now....

 

Andy G

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Great Central Railway photo’s which are full of interest. In J7584, at Loughborough Central, with  ex - LNER, Gresley, teak bodied TPO, in September, 1981, it certainly made a fine sight, and it’s good to know that such a specialist vehicle managed to be preserved. I hope it’s still safe and sound.

The photo’s of Altrincham are fascinating, and in C15382, with a two car class 108 DMU on a Chester to Mancester Piccadilly via Stockport service, on the 8th September, 1990, the camera has captured so well the bleak desolation and the industrial construction parts strewn around. The parked cars and long grasses add to the bleak urban scene, and the whole area is waiting  to be captured on a model. 

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[uax6]

49 minutes ago, Market65 said:

Hi, Dave. I like the Great Central Railway photo’s which are full of interest. In J7584, at Loughborough Central, with  ex - LNER, Gresley, teak bodied TPO, in September, 1981, it certainly made a fine sight, and it’s good to know that such a specialist vehicle managed to be preserved. I hope it’s still safe and sound.

 

 

See here:http://www.rvp-ltd.org.uk/collection.php?vehicle=70294

 

Andy G

[cheesysmith]

Those photos of Altrincham are just photos of the every day BR . The 108 has a ex 2 digit centre blind and a ex four digit blind car together with the four digit blind half missing its destination blind from the centre window. 

 

The line was electrified at 1500v DC but was never connected to the woodhead line. But some of the BoBo's were tested on the line before the main one was ready, as well as the shenfield line down south.

 

[Luke Piewalker]

It's strange, I have no memory of ever seeing a 31 at Carlisle or Newcastle, but the pictorial evidence would suggest I must have!

[73c]

3 hours ago, uax6 said:

 

See here:http://www.rvp-ltd.org.uk/collection.php?vehicle=70294

 

Andy G

It also made a trip to the NYMR for the filming of the Downton Abbey movie.

[Blackthorn]

Hi David;

Fantastic pictures as always, thanks for your posts every day.  Just a quick question, there seems to be something very odd about the support for the dark lattice structure over the DMU in C15383.  It looks as if its base is almost in line with the base of the overhead gantry behind it, and hardly any room for anything to pass underneath. Is this due to a telephoto lens? or something else? (sorry, technically two questions....) hopefully its not my eyesight!!

 

Mark. 

[DaveF]

30 minutes ago, Blackthorn said:

Hi David;

Fantastic pictures as always, thanks for your posts every day.  Just a quick question, there seems to be something very odd about the support for the dark lattice structure over the DMU in C15383.  It looks as if its base is almost in line with the base of the overhead gantry behind it, and hardly any room for anything to pass underneath. Is this due to a telephoto lens? or something else? (sorry, technically two questions....) hopefully its not my eyesight!!

 

Mark. 

 

 

It doesn't reach the ground, it is simply a part of one of the structures of the original 1500VDC system, one is shown in the link to flickr below.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21602076@N05/8412443124

 

If you search for "Altrincham station" using Google  and then select "Images" you will find several photos showing the type of structure, or follow this link:  https://www.google.com/search?q=altrincham+station&safe=active&rlz=1C1DSGP_enGB481GB481&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT0_GhsOXkAhXqSRUIHdilDJ8Q_AUIEygC&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=_

 

For anyone who is interested in the line from Manchester to Altrincham I can recommend two books:

 

 "The Manchester South Junction and Altrincham Railway" by Frank Dixon, published by Oakwood ISBN 0 85361 454 7 - that is the 1994 edition. 

 

"Altrincham to Manchester before Metrolink"  by N R Knight, published by Foxline, ISBN 1 870119 60 6

 

Both books have a number of photos showing the structures used to support the catenary.

 

 

David

 

 

Edited September 22, 2019 by DaveF
To addinformation.

[DaveF]

 

Back to Harrogate again this afternoon to look at trains in 1966 and 1984.

 

 

Harrogate BR Class 5 73158 Harrogate to Kings X Jan 66 J436.jpg

 

 

Harrogate B1 61303 heating coaches Oct 66 J668.jpg

 

 

Harrogate LMS Class 5 44681 heating coaches Nov 66 J692.jpg

 

 

Harrogate Class 111 Leeds to York April 84 J8122

 

 

Harrogate Class 110 York to Leeds July 84 J8160

 

 

David

Edited September 23, 2019 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Harrogate photo’s which are superb and all full of interest. In J8122, with a Metropolitan Cammell unit, on a Leeds to York service, in April, 1984, it is actually a class 111 with Rolls Royce engines. The cab end is the clue with the lowered middle cab windscreen. Ten such  units were originally fitted with a four character headcode box above the windscreens, hence the lowered middle window. They were never altered to full height after the headcode boxes were removed.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.