RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted September 29, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2019 This afternoon we return to Peak Forest in April and August 1990 to see more photos of Class 37s and 47s at work. Peak Forest 37425 shunting 19th April 90 C14385.jpg Peak Forest 37687 l e 24th Aug 90 C15281.jpg Peak Forest 47445 full ICI 24th Aug 90 C15285.jpg Peak Forest 47532 cement 24th Aug 90 C15288.jpg Peak Forest 37685 and 37682 RMC empties 24th Aug 90 C15293.jpg David 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted September 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2019 Hi, Dave. I like the Peak Forest photo’s. They are full of interest and I particularly like the first one, of 37425 shunting on the 19th April, 1990, It’s a well composed three quarter shot of the 37. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 27/09/2019 at 19:15, SHMD said: 158779, in C18087, shows what forced me away from all things trains for 15 years. These 2 car units, with small doors at the ends, were wholly unsuited to replace the loco+7 bogies on the Tran-Pennine route. Awful awful things. I rate them lower than a Pacer! Kev. When they arrived in the Bristol area to replace the clapped out locos and excrable Mark1 stock on the Cardiff-Portsmouths, they were regarded as the ulitmate lap of luxury, so you can't please everybody... 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, talisman56 said: When they arrived in the Bristol area to replace the clapped out locos and excrable Mark1 stock on the Cardiff-Portsmouths, they were regarded as the ulitmate lap of luxury, There's no accounting for taste.... Edited September 30, 2019 by brushman47544 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: There's no accounting for taste.... With you all the way from an enthusiast perspective, but for the passengers, draughty and poor riding mk1s hauled by 33s past their sell by date were a poor option compared to double glazing, tinted windows, wide doors, sound proofing (this route incorporates the longest main line tunnel in the UK) and air conditioning that could reliably get up to line speed and maintain it even on the banks. The seating was better in the mk1s in that the upholstery was deeper, but the springs were largely u/s and the seats were filthy. The 158s also featured hot drinks and snacks served at your seat. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 My first impressions of 158 were not particularly favourable. 1991, Norwich - Peterborough on a day that had started with an hour's trip into London on a Mk1 EMU. The unfamiliarity of an underfloor powerplant with its vibrations. Shuffle forward a few years and once every four weeks I would ride an Alpha-Line 158 from Cheltenham to New St. By now I was quite comfy with the ambience. GWR's 158s are welcome in the South West and again I feel at home. Not quite the same, because I can travel First Class on either route, but if time allows I will often opt for SWR 158/159 between London and Exeter, as a relaxing alternative to HST and now 80x from Paddington. Sprinter Express is pretty nice for me. Sorry for elongating the discussion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I've often ridden 158s between Manchester/Sheffield and Nottingham for various model railway related exhibitions. Much nicer than a Voyager for a similar length of journey, the EMT Meridian layout also has a nice ambiance proving with the Voyagers it's not the trains themselves but how they are laid out that is the issue - a few extra coaches at the beginning would have meant a whole different experience for those on long distance Cross Country trains. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted September 30, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, woodenhead said: I've often ridden 158s between Manchester/Sheffield and Nottingham for various model railway related exhibitions. Much nicer than a Voyager for a similar length of journey, the EMT Meridian layout also has a nice ambiance proving with the Voyagers it's not the trains themselves but how they are laid out that is the issue - a few extra coaches at the beginning would have meant a whole different experience for those on long distance Cross Country trains. Back in the late 60s and early 70s I used to travel from Manchester to Nottigham. On bad days the "train" was a Class 105 dmu. They could be remarkably uncomfortable and luggage often bouncd off the luggage racks onto the floor. David 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted September 30, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Time now for today's photos, a little bit later than usual. Once again they are on the ECML in Northumberland, this time at Buston Barns, to the south of Alnmouth. Buston Barns 47654 up Berwick to Newcastle 6th Feb 88 C9333.jpg Buston Barns 43066 down18th May 91 C15803.jpg Buston Barns 56133 up Russell coal containers 19th Sept 92 C18050.jpg Buston Barns 37689 and 37697 down coal 20th March 93 C18375.jpg There used to be a foot crossing here, since closed - it consisted of a stile each side of the line and warning notices about looking before crossing. I rarely used it, there was a very restricted view from the other side of the line which was the side with the road and fotpath I used. Buston Barns 153319 Alnmouth to Newcastle 22nd July92 C16997.jpg Dad is also taking a photo of the train. David Edited September 30, 2019 by DaveF 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2019 C15803 is a gem. Jonathan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 C16997; that 153 don't half look lonely! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 In C9333 the loco has an Eastfield “Scottie Dog” depot emblem under the very un-Scottish name “Finsbury Park”. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 Hi, Dave. I like the Buston Barns photo’s which capture perfectly a long gone era on the ECML. I particularly like the first photo’ of 47654, on an up Berwick to Newcastle train, on the 6th February, 1988. How well the 47 is accelerating as it draws the motley three Mk1 and Mkll carriages along behind it. A nice typical short DMU replacement train. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, DaveF said: Time now for today's photos, a little bit later than usual. Once again they are on the ECML in Northumberland, this time at Buston Barns, to the south of Alnmouth. Buston Barns 47654 up Berwick to Newcastle 6th Feb 88 C9333.jpg David I'm not too familiar with the ECML but I'm guessing that the shot shows an early morning working as the low sun is to the right (East) as it heads south. If so then the working would probably be 2K03 06:50 Berwick-upon-Tweed - Newcastle which was diagrammed for a Gateshead 47 instead of a Class 143 and was due to stop at Alnmouth at 07:21 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted September 30, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, SP Steve said: I'm not too familiar with the ECML but I'm guessing that the shot shows an early morning working as the low sun is to the right (East) as it heads south. If so then the working would probably be 2K03 06:50 Berwick-upon-Tweed - Newcastle which was diagrammed for a Gateshead 47 instead of a Class 143 and was due to stop at Alnmouth at 07:21 Steve, many thanks for trying to work out the train identity. I think it's a later working, as the train comes off the curve the line heads roughly SSW, so the photo is probably mid morning. The main reason why I think that is that in Northumberland the sun doesn't rise until around 07.50 early in February. It is surprising just how far north Northumberland is. The secondary reason is that 6th February 1988 was a Saturday. I usually had some shopping to do on a Saturday morning and din't go out until around 10am. Buston Barns takes a bit more than 30 minutes to drive to from home. Additional bit after typing the above I've just found my notes for the day, apparently I took the photo at 11.10am. David 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 hours ago, DaveF said: Steve, many thanks for trying to work out the train identity. I think it's a later working, as the train comes off the curve the line heads roughly SSW, so the photo is probably mid morning. The main reason why I think that is that in Northumberland the sun doesn't rise until around 07.50 early in February. It is surprising just how far north Northumberland is. The secondary reason is that 6th February 1988 was a Saturday. I usually had some shopping to do on a Saturday morning and din't go out until around 10am. Buston Barns takes a bit more than 30 minutes to drive to from home. Additional bit after typing the above I've just found my notes for the day, apparently I took the photo at 11.10am. David I thought that this working might be a little too early to catch the sun (I lived in Carlisle for a number of years so ditto with sun rise!). The national timetable for this period shows that the working would almost certainly be the 10:36 Berwick-upon-Tweed - Newcastle which was scheduled to arrive at Alnmouth at 11:06. My original suggestion was gleaned from Loco-Hauled Travel 1987 which mentioned two Gateshead diagrams covering for 143 DMUs but not surprising that other workings such as this occurred given the troubles they had with introducing the Pacer units into squadron service. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 1, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2019 Photos from the Newcastle to Carlisle line today. The Fourstones photos are taken just to the west of the site of the station. Fourstones Class 101 Carlisle to Newcastle March 85 J8241.jpg Fourstones 56130 empties to Plenmeller loader 26th Aug 92 C17959.jpg Cowran Hills cutting 56096 down freight 29th March 94 C19376.jpg Cowran Hills cutting 156444 Newcastle to Carlisle 1st June 94 C19465.jpg Cowran Hills cutting 60056 up oil 1st June 94 C19469.jpg David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) On 27/09/2019 at 16:24, Western Aviator said: C18531 was a lucky shot; there can’t be many pictures out there of Class 159s under the wires. Edited October 1, 2019 by DY444 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2019 Hi, Dave. I like the Newcastle to Carlisle photo’s which are full of interest and nostalgia. In the first photo’ at Fourstones, with a two car class 101 DMU on a Carlisle to Newcastle service in snowy March, 1985, you can see that the DMBS has had the roof vents removed whilst the DTSL still has a full set of them. I believe it was something to do with asbestos removal. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 1, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Market65 said: Hi, Dave. I like the Newcastle to Carlisle photo’s which are full of interest and nostalgia. In the first photo’ at Fourstones, with a two car class 101 DMU on a Carlisle to Newcastle service in snowy March, 1985, you can see that the DMBS has had the roof vents removed whilst the DTSL still has a full set of them. I believe it was something to do with asbestos removal. With warmest regards, Rob. Why were the roof vents made from asbestos? Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 1, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) The only thing I can think of is the roof vents were removed and holes plated, so that any asbestos present was sealed inside the roof? (To prevent it being disturbed, in lieu of it being removed) Edited October 1, 2019 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 C19376 is the Spiller's petfood train between Wisbech and Paisley, I believe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Fat Controller said: C19376 is the Spiller's petfood train between Wisbech and Paisley, I believe. 6S93; 6E80 was the corresponding southbound train. IIRC the petfood was made at Spillers factory at Barrhead (now closed) and loaded onto rail at Deanside, the return train conveyed the empty cans. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted October 2, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2019 Scotland today with a visit to Dalmeny for the first time. As will be obvious from two of the photos Dalmeny is situated just to the south of the Forth Bridge. All the photos were taken on 5th April 1991. Dalmeny 158728 Edinburgh to Aberdeen 5th April 19 C15713.jpg Dalmeny 107040 to Edinburgh 5th April 91 C15715.jpg Dalmeny 158744 Edinburgh to Kirkcaldy 5th April 91 C15718.jpg Dalmeny 20165 and 20138 Carbon Dioxide tanks down 5th April 91 C15720.jpg Dalmeny 150250 and 150252 5th April 91 C15732.jpg David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted October 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2019 Hi, Dave. I like the photo’s of Dalmeny, which are full of interest. In C15720, with 20165 and 20138 on a Carbon Dioxide tanker train - a down working, which is beautifully composed, you have a good example of a short train and a delightful station building. Just perfect for a small layout. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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