RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Leander said: Younger's Tartan Bitter anyone? Nailmakers Arms, Norton, Sheffield. Thanks for the memory jog! Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 15, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 Thanks for the comments, especially about the freightliner train yesterday. You nearly didn't get to see the photo as the original slide was not really sharp. I only kept it as it is (I think) the only freightliner I ever photographed doubled headed by 2 Class 47s. Then when scanned the photos I nearly didn't bother as it took ages to get a reasonable image file. Now for today's photos which are some more from the ECML in Northumberland. Widdrington station is both a station and the name of the village by the station, Widdrington is another village a short distance away. Wooden Gates Class 90 Glasgow C to Kings x 11th Dec 93 C19233.jpg Widdrington station 43117 up July 84 J8153.jpg Widdrington station 37519 up l e 19th Feb 94 C19278.jpg Ulgham Lane crossing 60075 down coal 23rd Jan 93 C18262.jpg Ulgham Lane crossing 56131 up coal June 87 J8999.jpg David 47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Leander said: They look like alluminium beer kegs, from which no self-respecting real ale drinker would ever partake. From their condition, I would hazard to guess that they are empty and brand new, being delivered to the customer no doubt 'north of the border'. Much keg beer and lager was brewed in Alloa, Edinburgh and elsewhere at that time. Younger's Tartan Bitter anyone? Well, I've had more than one 'real ale/craft beer' that would not pass muster as pig swill and would get you chased up by the animal rights brigade if you tried to use it as that. The middle classes will drink anything if it has been approved by some chinless wonder in a Sunday Supplement and is associated with terminology such as 'artisan', 'natural ingredients' (brings to mind images of Baron Frankenstein in his lab brewing up un-natural ingredients; a nonsense, as all ingredients are by definition natural or they wouldn't exist. It's like organic tomatoes; I've never seen any that weren't organic) or 'microbrewery'. On the other hand, some of such products have been a joy to drink. Same goes for keg beer (note; beer, not ale) and you are right that no self respecting real ale or keg beer drinker would have touched most of S & N's output. Keg beer is fine if it is to a good recipe, brewed properly, kept properly, and not pumped full of sulpher or carbon dioxides to make you feel that you've had a skinful because a) you were sick on the way home, b) you had a headache in the morning, and c) you were excessively dehydrated. N & S's was rubbish, as were Courage's and Watney's, and they sowed the seeds of their own destruction by preparing the palates of idiots and thugs for the lager revolution, UK produced lager being the very death of reason and the likely fuel for this RB's demise if a footex was involved. Footex were good sense for BR's beancounters, as they used stock about to be withdrawn anyway and ensured that it was damaged beyond repair so that the railway could claim from their Lloyd's underwriters. I currently drink beer in the form of keg bitters such as Worthington's, Tetley's, John Smith's and (especially) Brains' Smooth. These are the despair of the real alers, but I don't care, I like them and enjoy drinking them, never suffering the above described ill effects unless i've seriously caned it! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2020 In a similar OT vein, what the hell is craft beer, in my experience it's a mis-spelling, the ft replacing a p. Mike. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the photo’s of the ECML in Northumberland. They are all very well composed, and full of interest. In C19278, at Widdrington station, that is a lovely three quarters portrait of 37519, on an up light engine movement, on the 19th February, 1994. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, The Johnster said: Well, I've had more than one 'real ale/craft beer' that would not pass muster as pig swill and would get you chased up by the animal rights brigade if you tried to use it as that. The middle classes will drink anything if it has been approved by some chinless wonder in a Sunday Supplement and is associated with terminology such as 'artisan', 'natural ingredients' (brings to mind images of Baron Frankenstein in his lab brewing up un-natural ingredients; a nonsense, as all ingredients are by definition natural or they wouldn't exist. It's like organic tomatoes; I've never seen any that weren't organic) or 'microbrewery'. On the other hand, some of such products have been a joy to drink. Same goes for keg beer (note; beer, not ale) and you are right that no self respecting real ale or keg beer drinker would have touched most of S & N's output. Keg beer is fine if it is to a good recipe, brewed properly, kept properly, and not pumped full of sulpher or carbon dioxides to make you feel that you've had a skinful because a) you were sick on the way home, b) you had a headache in the morning, and c) you were excessively dehydrated. N & S's was rubbish, as were Courage's and Watney's, and they sowed the seeds of their own destruction by preparing the palates of idiots and thugs for the lager revolution, UK produced lager being the very death of reason and the likely fuel for this RB's demise if a footex was involved. Footex were good sense for BR's beancounters, as they used stock about to be withdrawn anyway and ensured that it was damaged beyond repair so that the railway could claim from their Lloyd's underwriters. I currently drink beer in the form of keg bitters such as Worthington's, Tetley's, John Smith's and (especially) Brains' Smooth. These are the despair of the real alers, but I don't care, I like them and enjoy drinking them, never suffering the above described ill effects unless i've seriously caned it! When we moved to Edinburgh in the 1970s you could get McEwan's 80/- or Younger's Tartan Special and that was it. Belhaven shook the tree a little but it wasn't until the likes of Greenmantle arrived that things really picked up. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, St Enodoc said: When we moved to Edinburgh in the 1970s you could get McEwan's 80/- or Younger's Tartan Special and that was it. Belhaven shook the tree a little but it wasn't until the likes of Greenmantle arrived that things really picked up. If that’s the case how on earth did Scotland have an alcohol problem? Of course....crap beer so everyone drank whisky instead... Edited February 16, 2020 by brushman47544 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, brushman47544 said: If that’s the case how on earth did Scotland have an alcohol problem? Of course....crap beer so everyone drank whisky instead... I think it explains the popularity of a "half and a half" - half a pint of heavy, to quench the thirst, followed by a nip, to take the flavour of the beer away... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 Or something really odd the half of heavy and half of 'Sweethart Stout'. Sweethart on its own has to be the work of Satan, trying to be an angel (it must be pure sugar!), I wasn't brave enough to try it in heavy..... Andy G 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2020 Getting back to trains now with some photos of the Foxfield Railway in the late 1970s. Dilhorne Avonside Robert July 76 C2894.jpg Dilhorne Bagnall J T Daly July 76 C2889.jpg Hill Crossing Bagnall Hawarden Blyth Bridge to Dilhorne July 76 C2919.jpg Dilhorne Hunslet Wimblebury May 78 J6112.jpg Dilhorne Bagnall J T Daly and Bagnall Lewisham May 78 J6115.jpg Dilhorne Peckett 11 May 78 J6120.jpg David 39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) I might be busy this afternon so I am posting the second batch now. Once again they are at Bottesford, between Grantham and Nottingham. Bottesford Class 105 Nottingham to Boston Oct 81 J7595.jpg Bottesford Class 114 Nottingham to Skegness Jan 83 J7774.jpg Bottesford Feb 83 J7798.jpg The road to the station in winter Bottesford Class 47 Parkeston Quay to Glasgow The European July 83 J7990.jpg probably 47588 Bottesford Class 120 Skegness to Derby July 83 J8032.jpg David Edited February 16, 2020 by DaveF 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 Enlarging of J7990 suggests 47598. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 C2919: is that the new Northern franchise stock? Jonathan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, corneliuslundie said: C2919: is that the new Northern franchise stock? Jonathan DfT would not allow that, far too comfortable! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the Foxfield Railway photo’s which are all of interest. I particularly like J6112, at Dilhorne, with Hunslet, Wimblebury, in May, 1978, which is a great portrait of the engine. The Bottesford photo’s are most nostalgic and all have their points of interest. What a freezing view of Bottesford in J7798, February, 1983, of the road to the station in the winter of that year. We do not seem to be having any snow this winter, just gales and rain. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 hours ago, DaveF said: Hill Crossing Bagnall Hawarden Blyth Bridge to Dilhorne July 76 C2919.jpg Dilhorne Peckett 11 May 78 J6120.jpg David those carriages look like they were converted from parcel vans, were they? the last photo looks such good quality, it could have been taken last summer 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 hours ago, brushman47544 said: Enlarging of J7990 suggests 47598. More likely 47588 as 598 didn't exist at that time. It also had a flush front at the No.2 end.... Regards, Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, sir douglas said: those carriages look like they were converted from parcel vans, were they? the last photo looks such good quality, it could have been taken last summer Those Foxfield Railway carriages were, I believe, converted from scenery vans. David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, sir douglas said: those carriages look like they were converted from parcel vans, were they? the last photo looks such good quality, it could have been taken last summer IIRC, they originally belonged to Boots the Chemist, working at their factory in Nottingham. I don't know what they were originally intended for, but they were at Foxfield when I visited 30+ years ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, sir douglas said: those carriages look like they were converted from parcel vans, were they? the last photo looks such good quality, it could have been taken last summer I've just had a look at steam '77, the ARPS Yearbook and steam guide. In the entry for the Foxfield Railway it states they have 4 LMS bogie scenery vans, Nos. 37508, 37518, 37519 and 38268. It states two had been converted into observation cioaches and one is used as a refreshment van. One of the photos states that they did indeed come from Boots who had presumably bought them from the LMSR or BR at some time. Some further details from "Preserved Railway Carriages", Lloyd and Brown, published by SLP. 38268 was built by the Midland Railway at Derby in 1922 as a PMV MR Number 228 to Diagram No. 1198, lot no. 969. Withdrawn by BR and sold to Boots in 1955, preserved in 1968. 37508 a CCTscenery van built by the LMSR at Derby in 1925 as No 46 renumbered in 1933. Diagram 1875 lot no. 160 Preserved in 1968. 37518 a CCT scenery van built by the LMSR at Derby in 1927, original number 4700. Diagram 1882 lot no. 308 Preserved in 1968 37519 a CCT scenery van built by the LMSR at Derby in 1927, original number 4714. Diagram 1882 lot no.308 Preserved in 1968 David 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) According to Longworth 37508 has since been scrapped. Some (all?) of the LMS series appear to have used recovered MR underframes. (Jenkinson) Edited February 16, 2020 by melmerby 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Have any since been restored to original form? I would say they were worthy of it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: Have any since been restored to original form? I would say they were worthy of it. It appears not. The Foxfield page on Wikipedia only lists one of them - No. 37519. Howvere I think their ex LTSR PMV No.1 may be one of them (38268) in my post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 The scrapped one didn't completely die, the bogies and other misc parts have been saved to go under Stately-trains Pullman car Balmoral, and they fitted up perfectly on the original underframe of this car! Andy G 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) Tioday we travel to the High Dyke branch, off the ECML south of Grantham, along with its associated iron ore quarries and lines. I think it has been some time since our last visit. High Dyke Pendennis Castle light engine Market Overton to Carnforth Oct 74 J4062.jpg Taken very early on a dull damp morning. Colsterworth No 2 quarry looking towards Woolsthorpe, you can also see part of one of the drills to prepare for blasting and the tipping point J2789.jpg Skillington Road Junction Class 31 5673 iron ore from Sproxton July 72 C1024.jpg Woolsthorpe Lane level crossing Class 31 5675 down light engine Nov 71 J2797.jpg Near Sewstern North yard point being removed to realign to a 10 chain radius curve for express engine (i.e. Pendennis Castle and Flying Scotsman) Sept 73 J3386.jpg ex British Steel line. David Edited February 17, 2020 by DaveF 44 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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