RMweb Premium iands Posted May 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1, 2020 Back in Raitrack days, I used to travel back home from York to Selby with my boss (he carried on to Hull). IIRC we caught the 17.08 which came from Newcastle (2N76?), via Sunderland & Middlesbrough - may even had originated in Carlisle. It was very often a Pacer. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 1, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2020 Another trip to Bottesford this afternoon to see some trains from around 1981 and 1983. Bottesford Class 114 Grantham to Nottingham May 81 J7383.jpg Bottesford Feb 83 J7801.jpg Bottesford 47518 Parkeston Quay to Glasgow The European May 83 J7951.jpg Bottesford 47473 Parkeston Quay to Glasgow The European July 83 J7992.jpg Bottesford Nov 83 J8095.jpg David 43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the Bottesford photo’s which are all of interest. The last one, from November, 1983, shows that the track renewal was progressing well from the previous photo’s of it. I can see some of the wagons etc., in the distance on the track being relayed. Impossible to say which ones though, at that distance. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 The bridge in the background of J7801 shows a painted on 'sighting board' for the signals which were obviously in front of it, removed when colour lights were installed and controlled from Bottesford west. I'd guess that they would have been distant signals for Belvoir junction. There are others about but darned if I can remember where now. In the 37 years since the photo was taken, much growth of greenery has taken place but the paint is still there although not as bright obviously. The signal at the platform end in J8095 has been replaced and control transferred to EMICC at Derby, perhaps slightly ironically using GN as prefix for Grantham-Netherfield route which probably foretells the eventual plan when the rest of the Skegness branch is resignalled. Who knows when that is likely to be though 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) Something of a miscellany from York today, taken over many years. York water crane Aug 65 J219.jpg York Class 108 Scarborough to York 3rd Aug 86 C7855.jpg York Trans Pennine coach 3rd Aug 86 C7863.jpg York HST Kings X to Inverness July 87 J9065.jpg York Class 158 to Scarborough 17th June 94 C19497.jpg David Edited May 2, 2020 by DaveF 48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2020 I always thought that those Mk2's in transpennie livery looked really smart. Can it really be that long ago though? Andy G 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, uax6 said: I always thought that those Mk2's in transpennie livery looked really smart. Can it really be that long ago though? Andy G It certainly was that long ago Andy, I remember seeing him them been hauled by 45s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the York photo’s which are all so full of interest and nostalgia. The first photo’ from August, 1965, shows excellent detail of that NER water crane. And the last photo’, on the 17th June, 1994, with an unidentified class 158 on a service to Scarborough, the banners, in the background, say about ‘The New National Railway Museum’. But, of course, it opened in September, 1975, so I’m unsure what those banners are meaning. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Market65 said: Good evening, David. I like the York photo’s which are all so full of interest and nostalgia. The first photo’ from August, 1965, shows excellent detail of that NER water crane. And the last photo’, on the 17th June, 1994, with an unidentified class 158 on a service to Scarborough, the banners, in the background, say about ‘The New National Railway Museum’. But, of course, it opened in September, 1975, so I’m unsure what those banners are meaning. With warmest regards, Rob. It's had me puzzled too. I didn't record it in my notes on the day. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) Quote Concerns about the condition of the concrete roof structure on the main building brought forward major changes to the museum in 1990. To maintain a presence at York, the former York goods depot across Leeman Road, already in use as a museum store (the Peter Allen Building), was configured to display trains as if in a passenger station, and this together with the adjacent South Yard was marketed as The Great Railway Show.[60] A further selection of exhibits formed the National Railway Museum on Tour on display for a season in the former Swindon Works.[61] Meanwhile, the main building was completely re-roofed and reconstructed retaining only one of the two original 1954 turntables.[62][63] It was reopened on 16 April 1992 by Prince Edward, Duke of Kent as the Great Hall giving enhanced opportunities to display large artifacts such as railway signals, a footbridge from Percy Main station and a segment from the Channel Tunnel.[64] The former goods shed display was retained as the Station Hall. From the wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Railway_Museum#Growth_1975–2000 Edited May 2, 2020 by beast66606 added link to post 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted May 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2020 14 hours ago, uax6 said: I always thought that those Mk2's in transpennie livery looked really smart. Can it really be that long ago though? Andy G Afraid so, that was my 18th birthday.....I seem to remember that I had other things on my mind that day other than trains ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) For this morning's batch of photos we travel to Butterley to look at the Midland Railway Trust with photos from 1978, 1983 and 1989. I can very clearly remember the visit in 1978 when the Midland "Spinner" was in steam. Two photos of the 3FT in crimson lake are to illustrate the probelms of colour rendering. One was taken by Dad and one by me, both on Agfa slide film and both using a Canon AE1. So the colours should be the same - but they aren't. Even before I scanned them the colours looked different. They were taken not all that long apart, so the light was not different. Butterley 16440 27th May 78 C3840.jpg Butterley 3FT 16440 May 78 J6099.jpg Butterley 673 27th May 78 C3854.jpg Butterley 4F 44027 May 78 J6083 Butterley D4 Aug 83 J8048 Butterley 48151 Hammersmith to Ironville11th June 89 C12041.jpg David Edited May 3, 2020 by DaveF 42 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2020 This afternoon we are between Newcastle and Hartlepool. Boldon Colliery Brockley Whins Class 101 53141 Sunderland to Newcastle 16th July 88 C09607.jpg Boldon Colliery Brockley Whins 143008 Middlesbrough to Newcastle17th July 88 C11599.jpg The line to the left goes to Tyne Dock. East Boldon 142019 Metro Centre to Sunderland 27th March 93 C18393.jpg East Hartlepool 60005 up oil10th Oct 92 C18096.jpg Hartlepool 142522 Newcastle to Middlesbrough 10th Oct 92 C18068.jpg David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the Midland Railway Trust photo’s. All are full of interest, and those first two do indeed show the problems associated with reproducing colours. I’m just not sure which of the first two photo’s are right, but maybe the second one taken by your Dad is a bit nearer to the actual red - that’s going by the colour of the trees. In J6083, that’s a fine portrait shot of 4F 44027, in May, 1978, and no colour worries there. The photo’s from between Newcastle and Hartlepool are of interest, and show how things have changed over the years. C09607, at Bolden Colliery Brockley Whins, with a typically worn looking class 101 DMU with car 53141 on a Sunderland to Newcastle service, on the 16th July, 1988, also shows a fairly crude plating over of the central lower marker light, which adds to the careworn appearance of that cab end. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 4, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 Scotland again today, with photos from Prestwick and Troon. Prestwick 18th Feb 90 C14003 Prestwick 18th Feb 90 C14004 Prestwick 318268 and 318261 Ayr to Glasgow Central 18th Feb 90 C14005.jpg Prestwick 318268 and 318261 Ayr to Glasgow Central 18th Feb 90 C14006.jpg Troon 9th May 87 C8464 David 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 03/05/2020 at 10:58, DaveF said: For this morning's batch of photos we travel to Butterley to look at the Midland Railway Trust with photos from 1978, 1983 and 1989. I can very clearly remember the visit in 1978 when the Midland "Spinner" was in steam. Two photos of the 3FT in crimson lake are to illustrate the probelms of colour rendering. One was taken by Dad and one by me, both on Agfa slide film and both using a Canon AE1. So the colours should be the same - but they aren't. Even before I scanned them the colours looked different. They were taken not all that long apart, so the light was not different. Butterley 16440 27th May 78 C3840.jpg Butterley 3FT 16440 May 78 J6099.jpg Butterley 673 27th May 78 C3854.jpg Butterley 4F 44027 May 78 J6083 Butterley D4 Aug 83 J8048 Butterley 48151 Hammersmith to Ironville11th June 89 C12041.jpg David But the light is different, look at the shadow the coach casts on the loco's bunker. The sun has moved behind the camera positions to the left, and probably over an hour or so, and the colour cast is warmer in the first shot. as shown by the platform edging and the rubble surface. Not only is the sun in a different bit of the sky, and at a different angle above the horizon, but we do not know what clouds or smoke might have been affecting it in the photos. Add to that that the different camera settings, shown by the DOF differences, meaning that shutter speed, apeture, or both were different. If the camera was on 'Auto', which was an option on many SLR powered lens 35mm cameras in the 80s, you would not necessarily be aware of it unless you were monitoring and making notes. And the angle is different, the first shot being more square to the loco and the second more 'sun over your shoulder'. This means that the amount of red in the frame is different, as are the reflections off the tank and bunker sides, and the camera's AE will interpret the exposure differently. It is in fact a very good illustration of why outdoor colour photography, whatever the lighting conditions, is a poor guide when it comes to matching colours for modelling. There is also the perception difference in the size of the block of colour 'presented' to your eyes as a proportion of your field of vision. I think it was David Jenkinson who, some decades ago now, colour matched a sample of crimson lake loco paint from Derby works, as close to the original colour as possible because it was the actual original colour, on a Duchess he was building, to finish up with a model that had to be repainted because the colour looked too bright. Add to that the fact that the majority of layouts are viewed under artificial lighting, even though the colour temperature of this is much more controllable these days, and one begins to to appreciate the difficulty of reproducing liveries correctly in 1:76. It's an easy, but in my view pointless, thing to become obsessed about. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the Scottish photo’s which all are of interest. In C14005, at Prestwick, with 318268 and 318261, on an Ayr to Glasgow Central service on the 18th February, 1990, I see both headlights and marker lights are lit up. I thought, it was either day or night running. Perhaps a fault had developed..... With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 02/05/2020 at 22:14, beast66606 said: From the wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Railway_Museum#Growth_1975–2000 In about 1992, I attended a lecture by the I Mech. E at UMIST about some of the problems with the NRM, as mentioned above!. I wish I could still find the paper that was issued with it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 On 01/05/2020 at 19:23, great central said: The bridge in the background of J7801 shows a painted on 'sighting board' for the signals which were obviously in front of it, removed when colour lights were installed and controlled from Bottesford west. I'd guess that they would have been distant signals for Belvoir junction. There are others about but darned if I can remember where now. In the 37 years since the photo was taken, much growth of greenery has taken place but the paint is still there although not as bright obviously. The signal at the platform end in J8095 has been replaced and control transferred to EMICC at Derby, perhaps slightly ironically using GN as prefix for Grantham-Netherfield route which probably foretells the eventual plan when the rest of the Skegness branch is resignalled. Who knows when that is likely to be though Photo of said bridge taken today from the back cab of the 12.15 Skegness-Nottingham. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 5, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2020 The ECML at Cramlington, north of Newcastle for today. Iin normal times I take photos in the area quite often. Cramlington 43097 down 29th Oct 87 C9235.jpg Cramlington 143009 Morpeth to Newcastle 13th April 88 C9441.jpg Cramlington 43119 up 13th April 88 C9444.jpg Cramlington Class 37 up freight May 88 J9503.jpg Cramlington 153319 Newcastle to Morpeth 24th Dec 92 C18198.jpg David 43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the latest photo’s from Cramlington, on the ECML. They are all of interest, and in the last photo’, C18198, with 153319, on a Newcastle to Morpeth service, on the 24th December, 1992, you can see clearly the effect of the super elevated track, with the 153 looking as if it is leaning right over onto the side of the bridge - which it is not really doing. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I wonder how many miles those 318 have done just wandering round the Glasgow electrified network in their lives? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 153319 seems to be something of a regular in your photos David, only chimes with me because it's now an EMR vehicle, well I think it still is! We don't see many 153s about at the moment. One of the few booked workings is a Worksop service in the morning attached to a 156 or 158. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 5, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, great central said: 153319 seems to be something of a regular in your photos David, only chimes with me because it's now an EMR vehicle, well I think it still is! We don't see many 153s about at the moment. One of the few booked workings is a Worksop service in the morning attached to a 156 or 158. I believe it was one of the "local" ones for some time. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, great central said: 153319 seems to be something of a regular in your photos David, only chimes with me because it's now an EMR vehicle, well I think it still is! We don't see many 153s about at the moment. One of the few booked workings is a Worksop service in the morning attached to a 156 or 158. I believe that EMR have placed 14 of their 153s in warm store at Barrow Hill, as a result of the current "inconvenience". I read that there are only three at Nottingham Eastcroft at the present time, one of which is 153 319. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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