great central Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DaveF said: Plawsworth today, just south of Chester le Street on the ECML. Plawsworth 47591 Newcastle to Liverpool Oct 87 J9340.jpg Plawsworth 37209 down rail Oct 87 J9333.jpg Plawsworth 31456 up parcels 26th Oct 87 C9185.jpg Plawsworth Class 158 Liverpool to Newcastle 28th Oct 92 C18117.jpg Plawsworth HST down12th March 94 C19328.jpg David The transition and 'improvement' shown with the stark contrast in similar services 5 years apart. J9340, class 47 and 6 + BG on a Newcastle-Liverpool, 5 years later it's become a 2 car 158? There were some 3 car sets on this route as well. After privatisation they were 'improved' again with the use of 3 car 185s and latterly with some of the new 5 car Trans Pennine Hitachi units, class 68 hauled CAF stock or doubled up 185s, so 30 odd years to get back more or less where it started, except the current trains are likely less comfortable? 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, great central said: The transition and 'improvement' shown with the stark contrast in similar services 5 years apart. J9340, class 47 and 6 + BG on a Newcastle-Liverpool, 5 years later it's become a 2 car 158? There were some 3 car sets on this route as well. After privatisation they were 'improved' again with the use of 3 car 185s and latterly with some of the new 5 car Trans Pennine Hitachi units, class 68 hauled CAF stock or doubled up 185s, so 30 odd years to get back more or less where it started, except the current trains are likely less comfortable? So from clapped out Mk2 coaches, to fast air conditioned units with better diagramming. The 185 was a further improvement albeit perhaps not as spacious as required when the numbers using trains shot up and now TPE is a proper intercity service. But you'd prefer the old class 47 and draughty mark 2s? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43110andyb Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, great central said: The transition and 'improvement' shown with the stark contrast in similar services 5 years apart. J9340, class 47 and 6 + BG on a Newcastle-Liverpool, 5 years later it's become a 2 car 158? There were some 3 car sets on this route as well. After privatisation they were 'improved' again with the use of 3 car 185s and latterly with some of the new 5 car Trans Pennine Hitachi units, class 68 hauled CAF stock or doubled up 185s, so 30 odd years to get back more or less where it started, except the current trains are likely less comfortable? 33 minutes ago, woodenhead said: So from clapped out Mk2 coaches, to fast air conditioned units with better diagramming. The 185 was a further improvement albeit perhaps not as spacious as required when the numbers using trains shot up and now TPE is a proper intercity service. But you'd prefer the old class 47 and draughty mark 2s? BR did a good job of fooling the public into thinking there was no loss of capacity! They steadily dropped off the loading from 7 (BG, FK, 5 TSO typically) down to around 5 if I remember rightly. It had to happen at some point I guess but I still miss the diesel hauled TP’s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, woodenhead said: So from clapped out Mk2 coaches, to fast air conditioned units with better diagramming. The 185 was a further improvement albeit perhaps not as spacious as required when the numbers using trains shot up and now TPE is a proper intercity service. But you'd prefer the old class 47 and draughty mark 2s? The original air con units fitted to the 158s weren't exactly the last word in reliability, with limited cooling capacity, the current, better, ones trip out if the ambient temperature gets to around 28C. Not that difficult when they're full and standing. I'll admit that I'm no fan of air-conditioning in any way shape or form so am biased towards open windows. I'll grant you they are probably quicker off the mark and have better differential speed limits than loco hauled stock but for my travel purposes speed is definitely not top of my list of priorities. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, 43110andyb said: BR did a good job of fooling the public into thinking there was no loss of capacity! They steadily dropped off the loading from 7 (BG, FK, 5 TSO typically) down to around 5 if I remember rightly. It had to happen at some point I guess but I still miss the diesel hauled TP’s. I think the original spec was BG, FO, 7 x SO for the Newcastles, and 6 x SO for the Yorks, but, as you said the number of carriages gradually reduced; I think they ended up with 4, hauled by a 31. That said, in 1980, the service had to be improved as people deserted the railway for the M62; and it was an improvement. Prior to that, we had LHCS to Newcastle every 2 hours, with the Trans-pennine units doing the other hour to Hull 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, great central said: The original air con units fitted to the 158s weren't exactly the last word in reliability, with limited cooling capacity, the current, better, ones trip out if the ambient temperature gets to around 28C. Not that difficult when they're full and standing. I'll admit that I'm no fan of air-conditioning in any way shape or form so am biased towards open windows. I'll grant you they are probably quicker off the mark and have better differential speed limits than loco hauled stock but for my travel purposes speed is definitely not top of my list of priorities. Give me a 158 over a Voyager any day though - I can happily sit for a couple of hours in a EMT 158, I don't like doing the same on a Voyager, though the EMT Meridians are quite spacious. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2020 C9185 - spot the nice fresh GUV in blue, next to the excessively grot-coloured ones. Prototype for everything! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) Trains at Hexham on the line from Newcastle to Carlisle for this afternoon. Photos taken in the late 80s and early 90s. Hexham 4771 Green Arrow Darlington to Hexham Darlington Bank Top 100 anniversary 5th July 87 C8614.jpg Hexham 156434 Stranraer to Newcastle Nov 88 J9718.jpg Hexham 2 Class 108s 26th Nov 88 C11610.jpg Hexham 143615 Hexham to Newcastle and Sunderland 28th July 90 C14615.jpg Hexham 156463 Carlisle to Newcastle 30th Jan 93 C18271.jpg David Edited May 28, 2020 by DaveF 45 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the Hexham photo’s, which are all full of interest and nostalgia. In the last photo’, of 156463, on a Carlisle to Newcastle service, on the 30th January, 1993, the unit appears somewhat disheveled, with the gangway door quite dirty. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 29, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2020 Back to Glasgow Central today with photos taken on the way to (or from) Glasgow Exhibition in 1990 - 1994. Glasgow Central 17th Feb 90 C13984 Glasgow Central 303037 2nd March 91 C15631.jpg Glasgow Central 303046 to Wemyss Bay 29th Feb 92 C16709.jpg Glasgow Central 156512 29th Feb 92 C16710.jpg Glasgow Central 303046 26th Feb 94 C19317.jpg David 42 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the latest Glasgow Central photo’s which are all of interest. The first one shows a busy station from when we did not have to keep our distance from each other. But in C15631, with 303037, on the 2nd March, 1991, the unit seems a bit grimy, and the windows do not look too clean either. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 27/05/2020 at 18:12, woodenhead said: So from clapped out Mk2 coaches, to fast air conditioned units with better diagramming. The 185 was a further improvement albeit perhaps not as spacious as required when the numbers using trains shot up and now TPE is a proper intercity service. But you'd prefer the old class 47 and draughty mark 2s? Damn yes. 8 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 30, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 Once again I'm posting a little bit early this afternoon with some photos taken at Newcastle. One is from 1987, the others are from July 1988. Newcastle 03078 and Class 45 Feb 87 J8770.jpg Newcastle 43066 Kings X to Aberdeen July 88 J9602.jpg Newcastle 37376 down p w July 88 J9605.jpg Newcastle 43041 Kings X to Edinburgh July 88 J9624.jpg Newcastle 31281 parcels July 88 J9632.jpg David 50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 Are you sure it's 31281?!! Mike. 1 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Are you sure it's 31281?!! Mike. Are you suggesting it is photoshopped? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chris116 said: Are you suggesting it is photoshopped? The numbers aren’t quite big enough for the absolute elimination of all doubt... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Are you sure it's 31281?!! Mike. No, it's D5811. Geoff Endacott 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 Whatever it is, it looks very smart like that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 30, 2020 I think it's for the short sighgted driver so that he can find "his" loco for that turn What loco have I got? 31281 - you can't miss it! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the Newcastle photo’s all of which are of interest. The first one of 03078, and a class 45 in February, 1987, is a delightful view and the low angle of the sun makes various things stand out more clearly than would otherwise be the case. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Geoff Endacott said: No, it's D5811. Geoff Endacott That was my last D58XX loco, small world ain't it?!! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) A few photos from visits to the Nene Valley Railway for this morning. Wansford DSB Class F 656 Aug 77 C3532 Wansford 73050 May 81 J7373.jpg Wansford 70000 May 81 J7364 Orton Mere 70000 May 81 J7368.jpg Wansford SJ Class S 1178 June 81 J7515.jpg Wansford BR Class 5 73050 June 83 C6280 David Edited May 31, 2020 by DaveF 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 C3532: You don't often see outside link motion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 23 hours ago, DaveF said: Newcastle 03078 and Class 45 Feb 87 J8770.jpg I just realised that I forgot to check yesterday's photos last night! J8770 is a cracker and so reminiscent of my memories of Newcastle in the 70s - except that I notice that it's a 1987 picture. I'd forgotten that 03s and match wagons were still pottering about, plying their trade, that late on. Such an atmospheric shot. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 This afternoon we visit Damdykes on the ECML in Northumberland, just to the south of Cramlington, to look at trains in the early 1990s. Damdykes 43152 up 9th Feb 91 C15568.jpg Damdykes 43045 down 29th May 91 C15848.jpg Damdykes 60087 down empties 18th Aug 92 C17902.jpg Damdykes 37501 up le 3rd Oct 92 C18065.jpg Damdykes 56077 down coal 3rd Oct 92 C18066.jpg David 34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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