RMweb Premium 03060 Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Don't think that photo c13902 is 31 411 as the loco in the photo has the later plated type of headcode box that was on the locos converted to 31/4 sub class in the 80's. The headcode box on 31 411 was black, glass with dominoes behind. Afraid one that we may never know the true identity of. Nice photo, though, thanks for sharing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Hi David, As always, thanks for posting your photos, a pleasure to view this thread on a daily basis. Have to laugh at the caption for C12097, can't imagine what some of the responses will be to that........ 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Really enjoyed the pictures the last couple of days. My wife is originally from Loughborough and never really paid much attention to railways until she met me, she had never even been on the Great Central! We now live in Newcastle so enjoyed the pictures around the station. So some nice connections. Thanks, as always, for taking the time to upload for our enjoyment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 24, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, 03060 said: Don't think that photo c13902 is 31 411 as the loco in the photo has the later plated type of headcode box that was on the locos converted to 31/4 sub class in the 80's. The headcode box on 31 411 was black, glass with dominoes behind. Afraid one that we may never know the true identity of. Nice photo, though, thanks for sharing. I'll delete the numberr from the caption. Many thanks for pointing it out. 1 hour ago, Tom D said: Hi David, As always, thanks for posting your photos, a pleasure to view this thread on a daily basis. Have to laugh at the caption for C12097, can't imagine what some of the responses will be to that........ I've corrected the caption - I thought it best to do so. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 hours ago, 03060 said: Don't think that photo c13902 is 31 411 as the loco in the photo has the later plated type of headcode box that was on the locos converted to 31/4 sub class in the 80's. The headcode box on 31 411 was black, glass with dominoes behind. Afraid one that we may never know the true identity of. Nice photo, though, thanks for sharing. Spotting features that make it stand out are the reinforced driver's windscreen and the position of the blue stars. I'm also going to stick my neck out and say that the second man's door is a bit stiff and gets kicked open, which makes it 31442. Later in the same year and somewhat grubbier, but same end/side but wider view http://railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/268500/CC Any takers? Regards, Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) We stay at Newcastle today for some more photos taken at the station. The final photo shows some of the colour patches painted in 1990 to help with deciding the final colours for the station. Newcastle Dec 81 J7621 Newcastle Classes 45 47 56 Feb 87 J8774.jpg Newcastle dynamic track stabiliser Aug 89 J10093.jpg Newcastle HSTNewcastle to Cardiff waiting to leave from the east bays and then head over the High Level Bridge to go south and Class 108 Middlesbrough to Newcastle Aug 89 J10109.jpg Newcastle Classes 156 and 142 8th May 90 C15462.jpg David Edited July 25, 2020 by DaveF 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 J10093. I remember when that machine was used in the cutting in Heaton, a couple of years later. A friend had just had plaster coving and ceiling roses installed in her house next to the cutting. She was awakened by the sound of them falling off.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the Newcastle photo’s which are all of interest. In J8774, with a class 45, and a more distant class 47, and 56, in February, 1987, the right hand marker light, on the class 45 appears to not be on, or not shining as strongly as the left hand one. This was too early for day and night time lights wasn’t it? With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Locos historically only showed one tail light, as did trains (except Royal trains) However with the Edinburgh-Glasgow push-pulls, there was an instruction that they had to show two reds at the back. This started with the cl.27 + MK2 trains and carried on with the cl.47 + DBSO sets. If one of the loco tail lights failed, then a tail lamp had to be carried. But this only applied when a loco was on the rear of a p-p train. Edited July 25, 2020 by keefer 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Market65 said: Good afternoon, David. I like the Newcastle photo’s which are all of interest. In J8774, with a class 45, and a more distant class 47, and 56, in February, 1987, the right hand marker light, on the class 45 appears to not be on, or not shining as strongly as the left hand one. This was too early for day and night time lights wasn’t it? With warmest regards, Rob. Rob, it is very noticeable, I did wonder if it was just the angle of the light striking the loco but I think it is more likely just a very dim light bulb. I have seen it before on other locos but can't at the moment think when so I can't find a photo to show it - but I think that there is at least one somewhere in this thread if anyone has time to look for it. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2020 Oops, just realised Rob was referring to the white marker lights in the former headcode box. That'll teach me to pay attention! Apologies Rob and Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted July 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2020 59 minutes ago, DaveF said: Rob, it is very noticeable, I did wonder if it was just the angle of the light striking the loco but I think it is more likely just a very dim light bulb. I have seen it before on other locos but can't at the moment think when so I can't find a photo to show it - but I think that there is at least one somewhere in this thread if anyone has time to look for it. David IIRC there were two grades of lamps in our stores. One was marked up as 'Rough Service', and these were generally used for engine room lighting. They weren't particularly bright because they didn't glow as hot to cope with the engine vibrations. If that was all that was available to keep a loco in service, then it would get used. Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) Once again I've just made my coffee so its time to post photos and read through the overnight posts on RMWeb. This morning we are back the the Kent and East Sussex railway in the second half of the 1970s. As usual the weather was variable - it was often sunny when I left home in Basildon and dull or wet by the time I got to Tenterden. Tenterden Hunslet Austerity 26 entering station Sept 78 C4147.jpg Tenterden Bank RSH 26 and Terrier 10 Sutton l e 26th Dec 79 C4909.jpg Tenterden Bank Hunslet 23 Rolvenden to Tenterden Town 19th June 76 C2799.jpg Tenterden Bank RSH 26 and Terrier 10 Sutton Tenterden to Wittersham Road 26th Dec 79 J6737.jpg Rolvenden SECR P CLass 11 Pride of Sussex Aug 75 C2411.jpg Wittersham Road Class A1 10 Sutton running round March 77 C3256.jpg I think the bright green patches on the loco are a scanning artefact, probably becasue the slide was in poor condition. I don't remember the loco looking like that. David Edited July 26, 2020 by DaveF I couldn't spell coffee! 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2020 Not spelling coffee is a great deal less important than not spilling it! Uncharacteristically, I was actually a passenger on the first day of service to Wittersham Road, and my mate and I, our wives and his first born, all arrived by public transport from the Medway Towns. In later years I lived in Cranbrook, so the KESR was my local preserved line, and one or two colleagues volunteered there. It was surreal to be addressed as 'Guv' when just a paying passenger! The KESR has an atmosphere all its own, and I relished it. Will it ever get to Robertsbridge? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: It was surreal to be addressed as 'Guv' when just a paying passenger! I used to get the same at the Bluebell! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2020 J6737 looks like when you feel like running an HO loco on your OO layout. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 Photos around Croxdale today, both to the north and souith of the site of the long closed station. Croxdale is on the ECML between Darlington and Durham. The area is also known as Sunderland Bridge. Croxdale Class 43 Aberdeen to Kings X 30th May 95 C20205.jpg Croxdale Class 43 up 30th May 95 C20208.jpg Croxdale Class 142 Saltburn to Newcastle 30th May 95 C20210.jpg Croxdale 47738 up parcels 30th May 95 C20213.jpg Croxdale 37095 up p w 16th Oct 93 C19143.jpg David 43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the Kent and East Sussex Railway photo’s from the mid to late seventies which are all delightful and show scenes of some of the earlier locomotives and rolling stock. In C4909, at Tenterden Bank, with RSH 26 and Terrier number 10, Sutton, running light engine on the 26th December, 1979, you have a lovely view with the smoke and steam drifting away from the engines over the countryside. The photo’s of Croxdale, on the ECML, between Darlington and Durham, are all of interest, and in the last photo’, of 37095, on an up permanent way train, on the 16th October, 1993, the angle the photo’ was taken from helps to emphasise the viaducts size and presence in that location. Those electricity cables and pylons look to be very high up indeed from that ground level location. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 03/03/2016 at 21:57, russ p said: Ahh right, I'm getting confused, I was thinking it was the goods. I think by then they only went as far as Pye Bridge The line on the was the former Up Goods, but post Trent The Up and Down goods ceased at Pye Bridge. The former Up Goofs south of Blackwell South was kept as a siding and head shunt for alfreton explosives and chemicals, a couple of wagons of which can be seen top left. The 20s are taking the siding line (former Up Goods) in order to set (what look like) their empty wagons (prob ex Avenue) into Tibshelf Sidings or Blackwell Sidings, The route from the Bi-di to the DOWN Main was not a signalled move, "BUT" I was once in the bad of 66034 running around its Doe Hill coal train for Drax and the loco was given permission by Trent to pass the signal at Danger and run onto the DOWN Main in order to run north to Avenue Siding and then back onto its train at DoE Hill. The PROPER! Signalled move was for the train to go to Pye Bridge and cross over there. There is a story that alegadly the driver of a 40! Did mistake the siding road as a running line and he thought he needed to go to Pye Bridge to come back and smashed through the buffers near Alfretn station, but never seen any pics or evidence for this. The line was last used as a headshunt/access for Alfreton ECP sometime in the mid-1980s.. it then lay dormant until being re-used as the line for the "Engine shed opencast" and was merely cleared of small trees and grass, once photographed a guy with a sweeping brush clearing it! and the concrete sleepers and track merely used again as though it had been laid only years before instead of the 60 years at least that it had been down..... albeit as a siding during that time. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 27, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2020 Northumberland today, on the ECML at Longhirst and Ulgham Lane once again. Longhirst 37007 Alcan Fort Willimam to North Blyth alumina empties 12th Dec 87 C9291.jpg Longhirst 43095 down 22nd May 93 C18546.jpg Ulgham Lane 43041 up 28th Nov 87 C9281.jpg Ulgham Lane 56121 up coal from Butterwell 12th Oct 91 C16590.jpg Ulgham Lane crossing 37051 down dolofines 28th Nov 87 C9287.jpg David 44 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the ECML in Northumberland photo’s at Longhirst, and Ulgham Lane LC’s. All are of interest, and in C18546, at Longhirst, with 43095 leading a down HST, on the 22nd May, 1993, that’s quite a contrast between the Swallow liveried HST and the field of Oil Seed Rape in the foreground. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Another good set of pictures David. The single clean coach in the C18546 HST rake sticks out a mile, I wonder why it’s not dirty like the rest of the train? Could the coach have been inserted to replace a defective one maybe? Edited July 27, 2020 by Clagsniffer Added picture reference 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2020 I'd have thought so - although knocking out coaches was comparatively easy with the HST, it wouldn't be done if it wasn't necessary. Sets would be kept together, if possible, so that the maintenance programmes of the coaches in a set matched. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted July 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, keefer said: I'd have thought so - although knocking out coaches was comparatively easy with the HST, it wouldn't be done if it wasn't necessary. Sets would be kept together, if possible, so that the maintenance programmes of the coaches in a set matched. Something like a serious wheel flat would get it swapped out. I say serious because some catering vehicles seemed prone to minor ones. Also the trailing power car is clean, but they were much more likely to be swapped anyway... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Once again we stay in Northumberland on the ECML today with some more photos from Morpeth, mainly in the 1980s. Morpeth Class 55 Newcastle to Edinburgh Dec 81 C5599.jpg Morpeth HST down 5th April 86 C7528.jpg Morpeth HST down diverted via Blyth and Tyne 25th June 84 C6573.jpg Morpeth HST up diverted via Blyth and Tyne 25th June 84 C6575.jpg Morpeth rail replacement service Newcastle to Morpeth 22nd June 91 C15965.jpg David Edited July 28, 2020 by DaveF 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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