mark54 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Is there a 1L43 anywhere in the WTT Mark? I can't see anything above 1L39 on the southern end of the ECML. It is possible that Doncaster to Leeds or York services which may have higher numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 5L43 rings a bell with me - but I can't find any references in any of my notes about it. I've a feeling that it was an early afternoon down working (despite it being an out of sequence reporting number). I'll keeping looking. I agree with Rob regarding the Deltics. I think that you've got both of them spot on. Edited January 28, 2017 by 35A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 I can't see anything above 1L39 on the southern end of the ECML. It is possible that Doncaster to Leeds or York services which may have higher numbers. Just a thought. May 71 is around the time of the introduction of Mk2D coaches, could it be a Holloway CS to Neville Hill stock transfer possibly? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2017 Not many trains around today, and you may have to search to see them but I hope the photos will still be of interest. Butterley MR June 69 J1754 It's a bit different now. Hindlow Dowlow lime works June 69 J1729 Hindlow view east March 72 C867 Hindlow Class 47 in distance 19th April 90 C14407 Chapel en le Frith 150213 Buxton to Manchester Piccadilly 24th Aug 90 C15308 Chapel en le Frith MR line from LNWR station 24th Aug 90 C15309 David 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 Some great shots there David, was the line through Butterley still open then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) Some great shots there David, was the line through Butterley still open then? It was closed then. I thought I could quote the dates but couldn't remember them so I have looked up the information in John Gough's "The Midland Railway - A Chronology". He states: Butterley station opened to passengers and goods traffic 1st May 1875 Name changed to Butterley for Ripley and Swanwick 29th July 1935 Closed to passengers 16th June 1947 Closed to goods 2nd November 1964 Excursion trains continued to serve Butterley until after 1964 Station signal box closed 7th March 1965 Crich Junction to Swanwick sidings (through Butterley) closed 23rd December 1968 Swanwick sidings to Ironville Junction closed 4th October 1971. It was then used by Adamson Butterley Ltd until 11th June 1979. Midland Railway Trust re opened Hammersmith to Swanwick sidings 22nd August 1981 MRT reopened Swanwick sidings to Codnor Park junction 29th May 1982. The history of the line is quite complicated. David Edited January 28, 2017 by DaveF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 ... Name changed to Butterley for Ripley and Swanwick 29th July 1935... Swanwick, the scene of The One That Got Away 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 Hi, Dave. A great set of photo's. They give detail that those with trains in them cannot always do so. Those of Hindlow lime works show how cleaner the air is today. I'm not familiar with the line there, and just wonder which tunnel that is in C867. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 They give detail that those with trains in them cannot always do so. Those of Hindlow lime works show how cleaner the air is today. I'm not familiar with the line there, and just wonder which tunnel that is in C867. With warmest regards, Rob. Hindlow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 5L43 rings a bell with me - but I can't find any references in any of my notes about it. I've a feeling that it was an early afternoon down working (despite it being an out of sequence reporting number). I'll keeping looking. Just a thought. May 71 is around the time of the introduction of Mk2D coaches, could it be a Holloway CS to Neville Hill stock transfer possibly? I can't see 5L43 in the WTT. However in the carriage workings a set that matches that shown in the photo (BSO, CK, 4SK, CK, BSO, 2SK) is a Saturday working - 1A43 07:00 York-KX dated 8th May to 2nd Oct. From 12th June to 4th Sept the return working is 1L11 the 11:15 KX-Scarborough. From 8th May to 5th June, and 11th Sept to 2nd Oct, it worked ecs KX-York although no time is shown - hence I would think 5L43 for the headcode (after working 1A43). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I can't see 5L43 in the WTT. However in the carriage workings a set that matches that shown in the photo (BSO, CK, 4SK, CK, BSO, 2SK) is a Saturday working - 1A43 07:00 York-KX dated 8th May to 2nd Oct. From 12th June to 4th Sept the return working is 1L11 the 11:15 KX-Scarborough. From 8th May to 5th June, and 11th Sept to 2nd Oct, it worked ecs KX-York although no time is shown - hence I would think 5L43 for the headcode (after working 1A43). Sounds about right, Mark. Although I didn't say it before, the bell that it rang was that it was a SO working. I recall an early afternoon down ECS working which would have left London around 13:00, based upon the time that I saw it. Your logic seems very sound. I'd stake my house on that being the correct explanation. AFAIR a Deltic on it was very unusual. IIRC it was usually a class 40 (certainly when it ran to Scarborough, in service). I do remember both the service & ECS being class 31 worked on occasions. I wonder whether the Deltic was a partial failure and had been swapped for the incoming loco at King's Cross and was being sent back north for attention? 21 did have a power unit swap during the last week of April 1971 and then another one (of the replaced unit) over 10th/11th/12th May 1971. Edited January 29, 2017 by 35A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 29, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) It's about time we had another look at Steamtown, Carnforth in the 1970s. For some reason the weather was usually dull when I went there. From time to time I tried taking photos of locos in the shed, with somewhat mixed results. Steamtown Hunslet 1' 11.5" gauge Russell Feb 73 C1175 Carnforth Peckett Faraday 5th June 76 C2749 Carnforth 6990 Raveningham Hall 5th June 76 C2757 Carnforth LNWR 790 Harwicke 6th June 76 C2769 Steamtown SR Lord Nelson 30850 25th March 78 C3750 David Edited January 29, 2017 by DaveF 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 29, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Something of a mixture of photos from various Midland Railway locations today. Some with trains, some very much without. Once again the only information I have about the first 4 is in the captions which are taken from Dad's slide catalogue. Wixford station MR Evesham branch April 71 J2623 Streetly station Class 25 down freight MR Wolverhampton branch April 71 J2631 Penns MR Nuneaton to Wolverhampton line April 71 J2635 Penns MR Nuneaton to Wolverhampton line bridge over A4097 April 71 J2636 Trowell Class 47 up coal April 75 C1934 David Edited January 29, 2017 by DaveF 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 Not many trains around today, and you may have to search to see them but I hope the photos will still be of interest. Hindlow Dowlow lime works June 69 J1729.jpg Hindlow Dowlow lime works June 69 J1729 Hindlow view east March 72 C867.jpg Hindlow view east March 72 C867 Hindlow Class 47 in distance 19th April 90 C14407.jpg Hindlow Class 47 in distance 19th April 90 C14407 Those pics really take me back. One of my lasting memories is driving along that road past Hindlow to Buxton and seeing 8Fs working the trains. Thank you (yet again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 C2749 looks more like an RSH or Hawthorn Leslie than a Peckett to me but I may be wrong. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2017 Definitely a Hawthorne Leslie - see https://www.flickr.com/photos/60790501@N04/sets/72157626792048263/ Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 29, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 C2749 looks more like an RSH or Hawthorn Leslie than a Peckett to me but I may be wrong. Cheers, David Definitely a Hawthorne Leslie - see https://www.flickr.com/photos/60790501@N04/sets/72157626792048263/ Jonathan Many thanks. for pointing that out. I have amended the caption to Hawthorn Leslie. It is in fact Hawthorn Leslie 3793, built in 1953. It was bought from the CEGB, having worked at Newport Gwent. At the time of the photo it was owned by Steam Enterprises Limited who stored their locos at Carnforth. It's surprising the details I can find when I actually get out my reference books - in this case a copy of the ARPS year book "Steam '77". David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 its not much i know but a slight pedantry, Russell is 1' 11 1/2" not 2' gauge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2017 Pedant mode on, J2631 it is Streetly according to the Ian Allan atlas and Wikipedia, not to be confused with Streatley in the Thames valley which unlike Streetly still has a station, even if it has to share it with Goring. Pedant mode off. Nice photos again. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 29, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 Pedant mode on, J2631 it is Streetly according to the Ian Allan atlas and Wikipedia, not to be confused with Streatley in the Thames valley which unlike Streetly still has a station, even if it has to share it with Goring. Pedant mode off. Nice photos again. Jonathan Thanks Jonathan. Once again it's my useless typing, Dad had it right. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 C2769, they look like the salt PGAs in the background, judging by the leaf springs and being sheeted over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Anybody noticed we're running through the "Deltic" post numbers ?? ................. Ballymoss Edited January 29, 2017 by Southernman46 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 Anybody noticed we're running through the "Deltic" post numbers ?? ................. Ballymoss So we are (Royal Highland Fusilier) but not for much longer... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Hi, Dave. I like the photos from Steamtown, Carnforth. Very much views of their time - how things have changed! The collection of Midland Railway photo's make fascinating viewing. In J2631 at Streetly station there is a good example of a two wagon freight train. I think most modellers should be able to accommodate two wagons. With warmest regards, Rob. Edited January 29, 2017 by Market65 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Carnforth Peckett Faraday 5th June 76 C2749.jpg Carnforth Peckett Faraday 5th June 76 C2749 Prior to its move to preservation, "Faraday" worked at the Newport (Mon.) Power Station which was across the River Usk from Cashmores scrap yard. . In one eventful weekend, a friend and I travelled from Cardiff to Newport to do the various scrap yards, including Cashmores, Buttigiegs, Woodfields etc. . Whilst wandering around the docks area we came across 6000 King George V inside the former Dock Street wagon works, under renovation by A.R.Adams staff, and were allowed to clamber over the loco. . From the top of the Octopus Bridge wall we could see a small steam loco shunting on the opposite bank of the river, so a quick dash across George Street bridge and we found the crew about to put him to bed as their Saturday morning shift had ended. . The driver told us that if we returned early Monday morning we'd get a cab ride. . We did, and he was as good as his word - taking us the length of the Nettlefolds Branch, crammed in like sardines with the shunter and another chap, and waiting for us to watch the South Wales Pullman pass on the SWML. . Sadly, Faraday, a Hawthorn Leslie product (or was it their successor RSH ?) was scrapped not long after your picture was taken. . Thanks Dave. . Brian R 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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