great central Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 5 hours ago, 35A said: I believe that EMR have placed 14 of their 153s in warm store at Barrow Hill, as a result of the current "inconvenience". I read that there are only three at Nottingham Eastcroft at the present time, one of which is 153 319. Thanks for that, I only tend to see what's about when I get into Nottingham in the morning. Knowing we're running a reduced service for the time being it makes sense to put them out of the way for now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 With the cycle conversions for scotrail, the dog boxes will have finally got everywhere in the uk rails. From the far north to the furthest south (except for some 3rd rail lines). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) On the ECML today with a fairly random selection of photos. Royston Dec 77 J5870 Royston Class 116? down Dec 77 J5871.jpg Peascliffe Tunnel 254008 Leeds to Kings X June 80 J6988.jpg Peascliffe Tunnel Class 254 downJune 83 J7966.jpg Retford Class 40 277 down parcels Sept 69 J1994.jpg David Edited May 6, 2020 by DaveF 52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Note the the twin buffet car and 8 coaches on image Peascliffe Tunnel 254008 Leeds to Kings X June 80 J6988.jpg. Whas this normal? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) Most likely that's a TRSB (nearer) and TRUK (further) combination. Normally they'd be the other way round (Kitchen by the Firsts) with one of the Seconds between the two: 43-TF-TF-TRUK-TS-TRSB-TS-TS-TS-43 No TGS yet. Edited May 6, 2020 by BernardTPM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) J5871 - Probably not a Cl.127, which were St Pancras-Bedford red triangle units I thought. Railcar.co.uk shows some 116s allocated to Finsbury Park until Feb 1978 when electrification took hold: https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-116/operations Edit: and Cl.125s until Jan 1977 https://www.railcar.co.uk/depot/finsbury-park Edited May 6, 2020 by eastwestdivide 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, eastwestdivide said: J5871 - Probably not a Cl.127, which were St Pancras-Bedford red triangle units I thought. Railcar.co.uk shows some 116s allocated to Finsbury Park until Feb 1978 when electrification took hold: https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-116/operations Edit: and Cl.125s until Jan 1977 https://www.railcar.co.uk/depot/finsbury-park Many thanks. I still can't identify dmus after several years of posting my photos in this thread! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2020 Good evening, David. I like the ECML photo’s which are all of interest and nostalgia. J5871 is one of the two character headcode box class 116 units that were allocated, as stated in eastwestdivide’s post, to Finsbury Park at the date of the photo’. In the last photo’, at Retford, with class 40, 277, on a down parcels train, in September, 1969, you have a typical train which, apart from the change from steam to diesel and the blue livery had not changed since steam days. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, BernardTPM said: Most likely that's a TRSB (nearer) and TRUK (further) combination. Normally they'd be the other way round (Kitchen by the Firsts) with one of the Seconds between the two: 43-TF-TF-TRUK-TS-TRSB-TS-TS-TS-43 No TGS yet. Usual formation (before the TGS appeared) was TF TF TRUK TS TS TRSB TS TS. By 1980, the TRUK and TRSB began to be marshalled together in the centre of the train as in the photo. Looks like the TRUK is correctly positioned by the TFs in the photo; it has more roof vents over the kitchen end. The TRUK was almost invariably next to the TFs. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Also in J5871, if you blow it up really large, it looks like a "Seaspeed" hovercraft advert on the right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted May 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2020 7 hours ago, DaveF said: Retford Class 40 277 down parcels Sept 69 J1994.jpg I didn't realise any of those LMS BGs got painted blue/grey quite that early. Explains why some retained gangway connections whilst in blue/grey. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Davexoc said: I didn't realise any of those LMS BGs got painted blue/grey quite that early. Explains why some retained gangway connections whilst in blue/grey. I wonder when the last time a pre nationalisation BG was used on a passenger service as a BG rather than a van on a parcels service 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Peter Kazmierczak said: Usual formation (before the TGS appeared) was TF TF TRUK TS TS TRSB TS TS. By 1980, the TRUK and TRSB began to be marshalled together in the centre of the train as in the photo. Looks like the TRUK is correctly positioned by the TFs in the photo; it has more roof vents over the kitchen end. The TRUK was almost invariably next to the TFs. Are you sure that's the TRUK next to the Firsts as it appears to have the word 'Buffet' on the side? (I must admit I initially thought it was the TRUK by reason of being next to the Firsts). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, russ p said: I wonder when the last time a pre nationalisation BG was used on a passenger service as a BG rather than a van on a parcels service Talking specifically of the LMS BG as we are currently, bear in mind that some were built by BR, so pedantically not pre-nationalisation. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BernardTPM said: Are you sure that's the TRUK next to the Firsts as it appears to have the word 'Buffet' on the side? (I must admit I initially thought it was the TRUK by reason of being next to the Firsts). Look at the roof vents Bernard; they're different on both the catering vehicles. I'd put money it's a TRUK next to the TFs. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) Definitely a TRUK next to the firsts - with the 4 large saloon windows on the left, the half-height 'corridor' windows are opaque. On the TRSB (and TRUB) these are normal glazed as they are at the buffet counter. The TRUK was branded 'Restaurant 125' (centre of coach on this side) - it actually looks like the TRSB is unbranded, these would usually be 'Buffet-Bar125' (at the left-hand end as we look at it) EDIT: zooming in on the pic, there is branding on the TRSB Edited May 7, 2020 by keefer 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) Plawsworth, on the ECML in County Durham today. Four of the photos are from visits in October 1987 and one from October 1992. Plawsworth 07 32 tamper liner 26th Oct 87 C9190.jpg Plawsworth 37177 up l e Oct 87 J9327.jpg Plawsworth Class 31 up test train Oct 87 J9331.jpg Plawsworth Class 254 Kings X to Newcastle Oct 87 J9341.jpg Plawsworth 2 Class 37s up 28th Oct 92 C18113.jpg David Edited May 7, 2020 by DaveF 39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) C18113 is possibly the short lived flow from Ravenscraig to Llanwern clearing the stocks of unused iron ore after Ravencraig closed. I remember visiting "The Sidings" at Thirsk and winning a drink from the owner for identifying the working at that time! Jim Edited May 7, 2020 by luckymucklebackit 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2020 J9331 - is it the Doncaster Works test train? It looks more like a train of coaches with the windows blanked out (apart from the first one) than parcels vans to me. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted May 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, 31A said: J9331 - is it the Doncaster Works test train? It looks more like a train of coaches with the windows blanked out (apart from the first one) than parcels vans to me. I agree. As soon as I saw those coaches and unusually clean 31, I thought the same. Doncaster-Newcastle and return was a common trip for ex-works locos. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, 31A said: J9331 - is it the Doncaster Works test train? It looks more like a train of coaches with the windows blanked out (apart from the first one) than parcels vans to me. Most definitely, an ex works 31 at the head. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 7, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, 31A said: J9331 - is it the Doncaster Works test train? It looks more like a train of coaches with the windows blanked out (apart from the first one) than parcels vans to me. I think you are right, I've altered the caption. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the photo’s of the ECML at Plawsworth. They all are of interest, and in J9331, with an unidentifiable 31 on an up test train, in October, 1987, the 31 certainly looks most clean and tidy compared to one that’s seen a week or two in traffic. And in J9341, with a class 254 HST on a Kings Cross to Newcastle express, in October, 1987, you can see a typical mix of liveries with the class 43 powers cars in the Inter City livery, with the Mklll trailers still in blue/grey. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted May 8, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2020 Radcliffe on Trent again this afternoon. Radcliffe on Trent Cotgrave branch viaduct Sept 75 J4872.jpg Radcliffe on Trent Class 114 Nottingham to Boston April 80 J6874.jpg Radcliffe on Trent Class 47 Parkestone to Manchester Sept 80 J7247.jpg Radcliffe on Trent Class 101 Derby to Grantham 9th June 89 C11979.jpg Radcliffe on Trent 156429 Parkeston Quay to Liverpool April 90 J10761.jpg David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 8, 2020 Good afternoon, David. I like the Radcliffe on Trent photo’s which are all full of interest. The first one, of Cotgrave branch viaduct shows, again, what a most remarkable structure it was. And in C11979, the unit working the Derby to Grantham service, on the 9th June, 1989, is actually one of the former four character headcode box class 111 DMU’s, with Rolls Royce engines. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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