Mark Saunders Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, gwrrob said: Reading a review on these in Hornby Magazine, apparently the Cromwell is fixed to the deck using magnets. Now we need someone to produce etched chains to properly secure them plus some chocks! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: Now we need someone to produce etched chains to properly secure them plus some chocks! Mark Saunders Cambrian do/did a couple of fairly fine chains. There used to be some one who did the tensioning devices (turnbuckles?) - perhaps screw couplings could be adapted? Don't forget that the chains go from the left side of the wagon to the right side of the load, and vice versa. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: Now we need someone to produce etched chains to properly secure them plus some chocks! Mark Saunders Yes, something like this ready made would be useful. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tony Cane said: Yes, something like this ready made would be useful. Were those Smith's screw couplings ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Cambrian do/did a couple of fairly fine chains. There used to be some one who did the tensioning devices (turnbuckles?) - perhaps screw couplings could be adapted? Don't forget that the chains go from the left side of the wagon to the right side of the load, and vice versa. Roxey do some shackles and side chain eyes. https://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/485/4a135-side-chain-eyes-and-hooks/ https://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/480/4a130-screw-shackles-for-wagon-loads/ Edited September 8, 2019 by gwrrob links added. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Were those Smith's screw couplings ? Well spotted, using only the long links. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2019 Possible source of post war vehicles for warflats and warwells... https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk/20mm/post-ww2-c22/british/wheeled.html Phil 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEngineShed Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Here are the Roxey etched brass screw shackles that were used on a Conflat load... Conflat A B706709 by Pete Piszczek, on Flickr 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Ambis do fine chain and other parts. http://ambisengineering.co.uk/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 21 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Possible source of post war vehicles for warflats and warwells... https://www.butlersprintedmodels.co.uk/20mm/post-ww2-c22/british/wheeled.html Phil I am not sure these are the right scale but presumably they could be printed at different scales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, BR Blue said: I am not sure these are the right scale but presumably they could be printed at different scales. Web page quotes them as 1;76 - other scales are quoted on other pages. is there a reason to doubt that? Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Web page quotes them as 1;76 - other scales are quoted on other pages. is there a reason to doubt that? Cheers Thanks Phil. I see that now. I did not get the 20mm reference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 BR examples have now arrived with Rails... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) In stock at CMC too - stock level now reduced by 1...... Bachmann have given us a lovely detailing pack to fit - brake gear, vac pipes, couplins etc - what doesnt get used goes in the spares box. Chassis is single piece die cast - so no weight issues. Wagon body also single piece moulding so significant surgery required if we are converting to Coil G. Might be easier to hijack chassis and fabricate wagon body if detailing on side frames and buffer beams does not correspond - will check tonight. Edited September 9, 2019 by Phil Bullock Photos added from phone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: In stock at CMC too - stock level now reduced by 1...... Bachmann have given us a lovely detailing pack to fit - brake gear, vac pipes, couplins etc - what doesnt get used goes in the spares box. Chassis is single piece die cast - so no weight issues. Wagon body also single piece moulding so significant surgery required if we are converting to Coil G. Might be easier to hijack chassis and fabricate wagon body if detailing on side frames and buffer beams does not correspond - will check tonight. Thanks Phil, any chance of a photo with it up the right way please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, gwrrob said: Thanks Phil, any chance of a photo with it up the right way please. Here you go Rob - let me know if any others needed Edited September 9, 2019 by Phil Bullock Photos added from phone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Easy to disassemble - 2 screws and bogies are off, another 4 seperates the moulded body from the diecast chassis. Look how much shorter the coupling is when compared to the similar configuration Dapol Bogie bolster E..... Edited September 9, 2019 by Phil Bullock photos added from mobile 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 17 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Look how much shorter the coupling is when compared to the similar configuration Dapol Bogie bolster E..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 This site may interest some! http://www.railalbum.co.uk/ http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww2-50-ton-warflat-1.htm Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks Mark some good stuff there And as always Paul Bartlett's site is excellent - search for Flat WC to find images of the wagon currently released in grey livery. Have been asked to post up photo of fitted detailing - so here we go! Under floor details are vacuum reservoir, vacuum cylinder and transverse operating rod - no link to bogies! Strangely my wagon has brake shoes fitted to one bogie but those for the others are in the detailing pack...did some only have brakes at one end perhaps? Photo shows details fitted with loose items alongside for clear identification. I always secure with the minutest dab of gel superglue. Also buffer beam detail - although looking at Paul's site as I suspected these general traffic wagons would not have the side safety chains fitted - but assume military version would for continental operations. Hope this helps Edited September 10, 2019 by Phil Bullock Photos added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Phil The only one that I know of to carry grey is the one at the NRM Shildon which is the one Bachmann produce, however in BR use should have been painted as fitted wagons. Unless anyone can prove otherwise? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: Phil The only one that I know of to carry grey is the one at the NRM Shildon which is the one Bachmann produce, however in BR use should have been painted as fitted wagons. Unless anyone can prove otherwise? Mark Saunders With you on that one Mark...have a look at Paul's site https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brwarflatwc Definitely bauxite by TOPs era - but are there a couple of grey ones there? So rusty mind.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: Phil The only one that I know of to carry grey is the one at the NRM Shildon which is the one Bachmann produce, however in BR use should have been painted as fitted wagons. Unless anyone can prove otherwise? Mark Saunders Mark Some appear to have had the power brake removed - this is an XFO https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwarflatwc/e3e3dd5a7 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwarflatwc/efad9c12 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Mark Some appear to have had the power brake removed - this is an XFO https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwarflatwc/e3e3dd5a7 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brwarflatwc/efad9c12 Paul Yes noticed that too.... And gave some more thought to the braking system last night having done that detail fitting post. As warflats, to operate on the continent an air brake system must have been fitted - my french isnt brilliant but I assume that is what the change over instructions on the wagon plate on Mark's earlier link http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww2-50-ton-warflat-1.htm refer to. If that is the case then would this not have been removed when conversion to Flat WC took place and the wagons no longer crossed the channel? In which case the underframe tank (not the Cromwell!) can join the side chains in the spares box as I would assume it was part of the air brake system rather than vacuum. Can anyone confirm please? And for those of us using the tension lock couplings the vac pipe and rather nice screw link coupling go the same way.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 The Landore wagons retained side chains in the 1970s- one still had its jacks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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