Kato GEX sets and the future

[Glorious NSE]

22 hours ago, Glorious NSE said:

I think as Paul says their fishbelly style chassis will be a match for some other things too (gut feeling is they might match one of the dropside opens, and maybe some of the cement wagons?) but will have a dig another day.

 

It's another day 🙂

The engineers fleet has a bit of a minefield of tiny batches of odd wagons, so this might be messy, and you should definitely regard it as incomplete:

So I think the fishbelly chassis is a match for the yellow semi-dropside opens 9333-9336


9345, 9348 (different variants on flats with handrails which look to be support for wiring trains)


Dropsides 9361-9367, 9375


Also Private Owner P10173 (nice verandah!) - support for the Vanomag Kirow attached (looks like this was one of the above dropsides once)


Also some (but not all) the Uc cement tanks, based on these: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/narrow_gauge/RhB/car/freight/U/pix.html
Looks like Holcim liveried 8086, 8090, 8095, plus Rhb liveried 8085 are possibilities?

There's various others which are about the right size but don't have that fishbelly too, depending on how important you think that feature is, some of the crew cabins look about right for length...

[PaulRhB]

3 hours ago, Glorious NSE said:

It's another day 🙂

The engineers fleet has a bit of a minefield of tiny batches of odd wagons, so this might be messy, and you should definitely regard it as incomplete:

So I think the fishbelly chassis is a match for the yellow semi-dropside opens 9333-9336


9345, 9348 (different variants on flats with handrails which look to be support for wiring trains)


Dropsides 9361-9367, 9375


Also Private Owner P10173 (nice verandah!) - support for the Vanomag Kirow attached (looks like this was one of the above dropsides once)


Also some (but not all) the Uc cement tanks, based on these: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/narrow_gauge/RhB/car/freight/U/pix.html
Looks like Holcim liveried 8086, 8090, 8095, plus Rhb liveried 8085 are possibilities?

There's various others which are about the right size but don't have that fishbelly too, depending on how important you think that feature is, some of the crew cabins look about right for length...

I agree and think these may all be derived from the old low side opens, (as demonstrated by the ‘giraffe’ wagon at the top), or recycled chassis off the retired round silo cement wagons. There are only a few cement wagons left and they are all in the engineers fleet now and the chassis certainly match. 
 

Clues to that being the right origin in the Baujahr, build date, column of this list off Rudi’s site with the Umbau, modification, dates to the right. 

http://www.haribu.ch/RhB_Roma/X.pdf
 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by PaulRhB

[Glorious NSE]

Thanks Paul, so that adds a few more numbers to the yellow dropside variants I had.

It also adds the similar green painted wheelset carrier dropsides 9377 and 9378
https://rhbstations.co.za/goods-wagons/service-wagons/xk-9377/

Movable platform module carrier 93001


Module carrier 93114 (can't find an image of it with that ID, but it was once 91601 as pictured here: http://www.beretta-modelle.ch/gleisbaumaschinen/html/body_rhb_containerwagen_bd.html

Tunnel fan module carrier 93115
https://rhbstations.co.za/goods-wagons/service-wagons/xk-93115/

Looks like those last 3 would be very easy conversions as it looks like they were done after they had been converted to container wagons.

 

94001 (a previous identity of 9354 which I pictured)
https://rhbstations.co.za/goods-wagons/service-wagons/xk-94001/

I think they may have once been van chassis oddly enough as some of the private owner vans are on it - though i'm not convinced this is useful info from a kitbashing point of view! 😉 

I'd guess the chunkier "modern" underframe was more useful as a base for conversions (particularly for things like dropsides where there's no other strength) than the older straight frameones which might be why surviving vans they still own seem to be from older batches?