knobhead 2,266 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Is there a complete list of all American made locomotives purchased by UK railways to be found somewhere? There must be more than Midland Moguls and Dock Tanks, surely? All help and guidance will be most appreciated. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Sykes 92 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The Great Central and Great Northern also had 2-6-0s, and a couple of South Wales railways had tank engines. There's a pretty comprehensive article on the Port Talbot Railway's Cooke 0-8-2Ts in an early Railway Archive and another railway had some 0-6-2Ts - possibly the Barry? Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon A 1,186 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There was also a Baldwin 0-4-0 saddle tank on the Clee Hill railway in Shropshire pre Second World War. Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites
jamie92208 75,410 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I believe that the Birmingham and Gloucester bought some locos back in the 1840's for use as Lickey bankers that were bought from the US. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites
knobhead 2,266 Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Thanks Gentlemen! Maybe this thread will end up as the complete list? Regards, Stefan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur 4,682 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Industrial users included; Alfred Hickmans Springvale Steelworks (the works later known as Bilston) which operated a Lima built Shay supplied in 1900. The Steel Company of Wales, at Port Talbot, had five or six Alco S1 switchers supplied in 1949. Link to post Share on other sites
PatB 4,859 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What about the Merehead EMD shunter? Link to post Share on other sites
travelintrev 3,723 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Of course one must not forget the Lynton & Barnstables Baldwin 2-4-2t. Trev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jon Fitness 5,719 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Were the s160s ever "owned" or were they just "borrowed" until shipped to Europe? JF Link to post Share on other sites
jamie92208 75,410 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) Quite a few other narrow gauge Baldwin's worked over here after WW1, The Ashover (IIRC) the Glynn Valley Tramway and Welsh Highland to my knowledge. Jamie Edited June 19, 2014 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites
Pacific231G 5,617 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Were the s160s ever "owned" or were they just "borrowed" until shipped to Europe? JF Borrowed. Many of those shipped to Britain in preparation for the invasion of Europe were put in service with "British Railways" in theory for "running in" but actually to augment the hard pressed British fleet. These were all shipped to Europe after D-Day along with others shipped to Europe directly from the USA and those that had earlier been shipped directly to N. Africa after operation Torch many of which followed Patton to Europe. About 200 of the five hundred or so that had gone to France with the USATC were made available to SNCF for its own operations with French crews and 105 of these became SNCF class 140U. They were though never fully integrated into their fleet and in 1946 passed on to other railways once the new 141Rs built for SNCF were available. I think these were probably just loaned to SNCF rather than being bought and some of them probably worked for longer in the UK than in France. Link to post Share on other sites
corneliuslundie 4,067 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 One of the American (Norris) built Birmingham and Gloucester Railway 4-2-0 locos was sold to the Aberdare Railway before it opened.. The Barry Railway had 5 0-6-2Ts built by Cooke Loco Co in 1899. Link to post Share on other sites
PhilJ W 82,922 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The Longmore Military Railway had a pair of Whitcome diesels. These were from the batch supplied to the British authorities in North Africa in about 1942. Those that came to the UK for D-Day were a slightly more powerful version. The rest of the initial batch went to Italy. Link to post Share on other sites
billbedford 1,867 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The GNR housed, but didn't own, an American 4-2-2 with the name of Lovett Eames. This loco was imported as a demonstration of a duplex vacuum brake system. Link to post Share on other sites
Titan 2,351 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Does class 59 and 66 count? Link to post Share on other sites
jwealleans 10,879 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Haven't I seen a picture of a Midland Railway Baldwin 2-6-0 recently, or did I dream it? It might have been in the collection of Percy Pilcher photos published by the LNWR Society. Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster 106,827 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 Haven't I seen a picture of a Midland Railway Baldwin 2-6-0 recently, or did I dream it? It might have been in the collection of Percy Pilcher photos published by the LNWR Society. There is a quite common postcard view of one in traffic - so possibly that? Incidentally didn't the LMR (Longmoor) have an S160 permanently in its fleet at one time? Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster 106,827 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think it was Gordon the blue 2-10-0 that now lives at the Severn Valley Railway. The funny thing with Longmoor was you could just wander around until the Red ######'s bothered to throw you out. In addition to the 2-10-0 (and Dean Goods etc) Bob, the last one was LMR 701 I think but they also had one numbered 700.. Link to post Share on other sites
EddieB 4,476 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing that the parameters are steam, diesel and electric locomotives in service on main-line, secondary or industrial railways prior to the preservation era (otherwise various later Baldwin imports would need to be included). Here are a couple of additions: Former WWI locomotives have been mentioned already, but we shouldn't forget "Mountaineer" on the Ffestiniog (built by Alco). The Alco S1 BoBoDE switchers supplied to Steel Co. of Wales have been mentioned elsewhere on this site*. *Edit: Also further up this thread! Edited June 20, 2014 by EddieB 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold Corbs 9,934 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) There is a quite common postcard view of one in traffic - so possibly that? Incidentally didn't the LMR (Longmoor) have an S160 permanently in its fleet at one time? Nein, 'Franklin D. Roosevelt' was painted in LMR livery while in preservation as 'No. 701', but it was not part of LMR stock. AFAIK there were 2 WD 2-10-0s and one WD 2-8-0 stationed there. There is a list of LMR locos to be found on the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longmoor_Military_Railway#Locomotives Edited June 20, 2014 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites
EddieB 4,476 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 There was also a Baldwin 0-4-0 saddle tank on the Clee Hill railway in Shropshire pre Second World War. Gordon A Bristol Yes, one from the batch built for the ROD in WWI. Another went to the Melbourne Military Railway (via Belgium and Egypt) and a third spent some time at Tilbury Docks, Wakefield Wireworks and Northwestern Gas Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster 106,827 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 Nein, 'Franklin D. Roosevelt' was painted in LMR livery while in preservation as 'No. 701', but it was not part of LMR stock. AFAIK there were 2 WD 2-10-0s and one WD 2-8-0 stationed there. There is a list of LMR locos to be found on the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longmoor_Military_Railway#Locomotives WD 700, an S160, was present on the LMR at various times being photographed on shed at Longmoor in August 1947; carrying its WD nameplate when shopped at Bagnalls in 1954; and was in steam at the LMR in September 1955 (assuming photos on the 'net are correctly dated?) - so maybe it outlasted 701 in WD ownership rather than the other way round? It would appear from the Industrial railway record to have been Alco 71512 of January 1944 and it seems to have also had another Army number - 93257 and had been transferred to the British Army from the US Army Transportation Corps at some time prior to 1947. Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold Corbs 9,934 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 I do beg your pardon, you are right, as seen in this link: http://www.railalbum.co.uk/steam-locomotives/usatc-s160-2.htm Makes sense that FDR was numbered 701 then - I was told it was never an LMR loco but rather painted as a tribute. Link to post Share on other sites
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster 106,827 Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 I do beg your pardon, you are right, as seen in this link: http://www.railalbum.co.uk/steam-locomotives/usatc-s160-2.htm Makes sense that FDR was numbered 701 then - I was told it was never an LMR loco but rather painted as a tribute. The preserved one which has been painted as LMR 701 was not that loco in real life (it's a preservationist's import - from Greece). What I can't ascertain is how long 701 lasted on the LMR but it doesn't seem to feature in any 1950s information which suggests that it was either sent elsewhere or possibly scrapped nor can I find out anything about the fate of LMR 700. Link to post Share on other sites
jamie92208 75,410 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) I'll probably get lynched but Ray Clasper of the Wakefield club has made lovely models of both the Midland Baldwin and the Schenectady 2-6-0's. The Baldwin used to haul the 'cattle train' on Long Preston as we had a photo of one on shed at Lancaster prior to WW1. All being well it will run again on Green Ayre. However I'm not sure that models of American imports count. Jamie Edited June 21, 2014 by jamie92208 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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