jazzer Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Anthracite fuelled ranges - I believe the LNER definitely had some too in kitchen cars. Basically no different from cooking on a range at home but no doubt a larger range with more than one oven and hotplates. Thanks for that. I wouldn’t have thought that hot coals would be permitted in a moving train. Maybe is was safer that it sounds. Maybe the cleaner that emptied ash from the smoke box cleaned the cooking range as well ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 "There are no concerns of chimney fires, leaking fuels or gases and is safely stored. Anthracite Coal burns HOTTER than other fossil fuels." Googled it. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 9, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Tim Dubya said: and I believe 3rd RTR are know as the 'Armoured Farmers'? I never had anything to do with 3 RTR. When with 10 Fld Workshops we shared 2 RTR's cookhouse for a while. I was on detachment to 1RTR, where everyone wore a black beret. Modifying traversing gears on Scorpion tanks. I was traversing the turret on one a spotted a group of black berets close to the tank through the gunners sight. I shouted out "Turret traversing, get your f'ing heads out the way." Crash bang as I heard someone climb on the tank and next thing an upside down RSM head appeared in the commanders hatch. "Next time you tell the colonel to get his f'ing head out the way remember to say SIR". 2 16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: The big tractors and combines around here don't need a driver, just tell its computer where you are and off it goes ploughing or harvesting on its own. If the law would allow it they would travel from field to field on the roads driverless guided by GPS. All the farmers kids around here can drive by 16 years old. Modern tractors? off, we have these John Bloody Deere tractors on the airport for snow clearance, I can't start the , they are alchemy to me. I worked in agric for 30years. Tractors have become this 'other land'. GPS? I spread fertiliser and sprayed by eye. OK, my kit was miniscule compared to the 'OUT THERE' stuff now. If I was, still, in agric, my biggest tractor would be a 'Ferguson 65. You can see, from this, I'm completely out of touch with modern mixed farming...... OR AM I?????????? 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 9, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 hours ago, jazzer said: Thanks for that. I wouldn’t have thought that hot coals would be permitted in a moving train. Maybe is was safer that it sounds. Maybe the cleaner that emptied ash from the smoke box cleaned the cooking range as well ? Ah but Jazzer mate, they were made when the thing up front doing the pulling was more of a fire risk than the chef's little stove. The LMS did try electric cooking but that required diesel -generators on the coach. Not until the wide spread use of electric heating via a diesel electric loco or an electric loco was electric cooking feasible. 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 This makes facebook worth it to me. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 9, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, cheesysmith said: This makes facebook worth it to me. Loverlee. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, cheesysmith said: This makes facebook worth it to me. Wonderful. Unless that was made of from film of multiple journeys, notable that they passed two coal trains within the length of Woodhead tunnel and another just past Torside. Electrification was clearly justified by the volume of freight traffic. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, John Tomlinson said: "Lincolnshire borne, and Lincolnshire bred, strong in the arm, and weak in the head" [insert county of choice] borne, and [as above] bred, strong in the arm, and weak in the head Edited October 10, 2021 by St Enodoc 1 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2021 11 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: The law was changed in the early 1960s to - if I remember rightly - the requirement to be 14 years old to drive agricultural machinery anywhere including on private land. Just after that ruling came in I was drivinga combine cutting a field - aged almost 13 because i was too small to handle the grain sacks so my uncle did that while I drove. I learned to drive on a tractor - in Normandy, aged 13. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, St Enodoc said: I learned to drive on a tractor - in Normandy, aged 13. Is that a sort of euphemism for something a little more 'interesting' on an exchange visit, by chance? Laurie Lee Edited October 10, 2021 by Mallard60022 Derrrrrrrr. 1 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Fox 34F Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 16 hours ago, St Enodoc said: I learned to drive on a tractor - in Normandy, aged 13. I learn’t to drive Double Decker half cab buses when I was 11! Paul 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 23 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Ah but Jazzer mate, they were made when the thing up front doing the pulling was more of a fire risk than the chef's little stove. The LMS did try electric cooking but that required diesel -generators on the coach. Not until the wide spread use of electric heating via a diesel electric loco or an electric loco was electric cooking feasible. Thank you Clive. It never ceases to amaze me the number of things I learn on RM web the That never crossed my mind previously. One of the first “proper “ railway books I ever read , aged about 10 or 11 was L.T.C. Rolts Red For Danger So From an early age my young brain was filled with stories of gas fuelled infernos in wooden carriages , so I suppose I have tended to think on those lines and ignore progress. I think the LNER missed a trick with their corridor tenders though. Egg and Bacon cooked on the fireman’s shovel and a carried back to the restaurant car has a certain attraction that the soul-less electrics can’t compete with ......... 6 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted October 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2021 On 09/10/2021 at 15:48, The Stationmaster said: Anthracite fuelled ranges - I believe the LNER definitely had some too in kitchen cars. Basically no different from cooking on a range at home but no doubt a larger range with more than one oven and hotplates. On 09/10/2021 at 21:36, Clive Mortimore said: Ah but Jazzer mate, they were made when the thing up front doing the pulling was more of a fire risk than the chef's little stove. The LMS did try electric cooking but that required diesel -generators on the coach. Not until the wide spread use of electric heating via a diesel electric loco or an electric loco was electric cooking feasible. The LNER had all-electric cooking on restaurant cars, in fact starting with the GNR Leeds Quintuple dining car set of 1921 but it relied on ground charging points and battery storage on the cars. But as they relied on charging points being available they weren't suitable for cross country services (presumably other companies didn't provide them) so from 1937 they introduced anthracite-electric cars where anthracite was used to heat the water and main ovens while electricity did the rest; from 1938 all their restaurant cars used this system. 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Is that a sort of euphemism for something a little more 'interesting' on an exchange visit, by chance? Laurie Lee it was indeed an exchange visit but I've no idea what could be more "interesting" than driving a tractor... 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 11 hours ago, 31A said: The LNER had all-electric cooking on restaurant cars, in fact starting with the GNR Leeds Quintuple dining car set of 1921 but it relied on ground charging points and battery storage on the cars. But as they relied on charging points being available they weren't suitable for cross country services (presumably other companies didn't provide them) so from 1937 they introduced anthracite-electric cars where anthracite was used to heat the water and main ovens while electricity did the rest; from 1938 all their restaurant cars used this system. All this fascinating trivia has led me to do a bit more research. As you say, it was Gresley that was at least nominally responsibly for introducing all electric cooking but what kind of surprised me was that anthracite-electric cooking seems to have been used well into the BR era on Mark 1 coaches. I can’t find out when anthracite was eventually phased out, but I seem to recall seeing photos of a Gresley Restaurant or Buffet car being being used on the Western Region in the Blue era so I guess it anthracite was still being used up to the mid/late sixties ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted October 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, jazzer said: All this fascinating trivia has led me to do a bit more research. As you say, it was Gresley that was at least nominally responsibly for introducing all electric cooking but what kind of surprised me was that anthracite-electric cooking seems to have been used well into the BR era on Mark 1 coaches. I can’t find out when anthracite was eventually phased out, but I seem to recall seeing photos of a Gresley Restaurant or Buffet car being being used on the Western Region in the Blue era so I guess it anthracite was still being used up to the mid/late sixties ? I took what I wrote last night from David Jenkinson's British Railway Carriages of the 20th Century as it was near to hand, but there is more information in the Michael Harris books on LNER coaches. It reads as though the anthracite - electric equipment was only used for Restaurant Cars intended for cross country and excursion work, in other words ones that went to places without charging points. Other Restaurant Cars were fully electric. Of the Diagram 167 Buffet Cars that survived into the blue / grey era early ones originally had gas for cooking and later ones just electric cooking, they weren't intended to be able to cook full meals. I remember seeing them quite frequently at Cambridge in the early 1970s, but by then they had been rebuilt by BR (in the late 1950s) which included conversion to propane gas for cooking. As an aside I remember seeing Belgian restaurant cars on the International trains from Oostende with smoke coming out of the chimney, probably into the early 1990s! 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, 31A said: I took what I wrote last night from David Jenkinson's British Railway Carriages of the 20th Century as it was near to hand, but there is more information in the Michael Harris books on LNER coaches. It reads as though the anthracite - electric equipment was only used for Restaurant Cars intended for cross country and excursion work, in other words ones that went to places without charging points. Other Restaurant Cars were fully electric. Of the Diagram 167 Buffet Cars that survived into the blue / grey era early ones originally had gas for cooking and later ones just electric cooking, they weren't intended to be able to cook full meals. I remember seeing them quite frequently at Cambridge in the early 1970s, but by then they had been rebuilt by BR (in the late 1950s) which included conversion to propane gas for cooking. As an aside I remember seeing Belgian restaurant cars on the International trains from Oostende with smoke coming out of the chimney, probably into the early 1990s! I remember being given a marvellous mug of proper Russian tea by a 'statuesque' sleeping car lady in her 'through' carriage at the Gare D' Nord in the 80's. She had an anthracite fuelled hot water boiler, complete with smoking chimney. The tea was great. I think she fancied the 20year old Chris. Do svidaniya, Chris. 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 11, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2021 First song tonight, how has Aurora turned a rubbish song into something worth listening to? 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satan's Goldfish Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: First song tonight, how has Aurora turned a rubbish song into something worth listening to? Very nice. Could be a lot worse... (I think this is just the original sped up a bit) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I may have missed it, but are you familiar with the work of Sam Battle (aka, look mum no computer)? A bloke from Kent with some synthesizers is probably the polar opposite to girls playing guitars from the other side of the globe, but he's still a talented chap! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 12, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Satan's Goldfish said: I may have missed it, but are you familiar with the work of Sam Battle (aka, look mum no computer)? A bloke from Kent with some synthesizers is probably the polar opposite to girls playing guitars from the other side of the globe, but he's still a talented chap! Interesting. Anyhow girls playing guitars can come from nearer home, like these ladies from Bristol. One of the UK's best punk bands at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 13, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) When are we going stop having those stupid pop up videos? I understand you don't get them if you are a "Gold member". Edited October 13, 2021 by Clive Mortimore 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodnok Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: When are we going stop having those stupid pop up videos? Time for a new browser? Brave seems to have been able to edit all of those out. I never saw a single one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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