luke_stevens Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 The Youchoos / Zimo sound for for the QJ also covers the JS... Luke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) On 03/10/2021 at 19:50, TEAMYAKIMA said: Whilst on the subject of weathering, I have recently bought a new JS and SY to add to the roster and I have been lucky enough to secure a couple of 'slots' with my favourite weathering artist and so they have gone off to him for weathering. Here's a photo of the kind of weathering I hope to see on 1183 I have been asked who does my weathering and it's Mad McCann here on RMweb and if you're interested you can PM him. Edited October 5, 2021 by TEAMYAKIMA 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) I have been doing more test running in the garden - just 2/3 fiddle yard boards - as it's not just the brass QJ's which are the problem, the Bachmann ones have issues too. Again the problem is the corridor connection between loco and tender. It is well known that some editions have problems going around tight curves because of issues with the corridor connection. After the early production runs, Bachmann changed/improved the loco/tender connection which as a by-product marginally made the loco and tender more close-coupled, but they used the same corridor connection molding - result derailments. So, you have to marginally trim back the corridor connection on those models. I am asking these Bachmann QJ's to run double-headed through two crossovers which are basically back-to-back and which use PECO small radius points - result derailments with some, not all locos. The two sets of crossovers can just about be seen at the bottom r/h corner of this photo. I have to test each Bachmann QJ in both directions and double-headed with different partners because each loco is marginally different. Edited October 9, 2021 by TEAMYAKIMA 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) A by-product of testing is handling locos constantly and that can easily result in damage - this is my high deflectored QJ 7127 after Wednesday's testing. The plastic fixing had broken off. Thanks to super-glue I managed to get it back on It looks OK from the side and head on. It's not perfect as it does slope in a bit, but it's better than nothing. Edited October 9, 2021 by TEAMYAKIMA 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al. Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, TEAMYAKIMA said: I have been doing more test running in the garden - just 2/3 fiddle yard boards - as it's not just the brass QJ's which are the problem, the Bachmann ones have issues too. Again the problem is the corridor connection between loco and tender. It is well known that some editions have problems going around tight curves because of issues with the corridor connection. After the early production runs, Bachmann changed/improved the loco/tender connection which as a by-product marginally made the loco and tender more close-coupled, but they used the same corridor connection molding - result derailments. So, you have to marginally trim back the corridor connection on those models. I am asking these Bachmann QJ's to run double-headed through two crossovers which are basically back-to-back and which use PECO small radius points - result derailments with some, not all locos. The two sets of crossovers can just about be seen at the bottom r/h corner of this photo. I have to test each Bachmann QJ in both directions and double-headed with different partners because each loco is marginally different. Wouldn't the easier and better solution be to replace the points with medium radius, there by removing the need to modify each loco? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Al. said: Wouldn't the easier and better solution be to replace the points with medium radius, there by removing the need to modify each loco? I did look into that option, but nearly always (and this happens with this layout all the time) there are often unforeseen negative consequences if I make a positive change in one area. TBH I don't think it's the point radius that is the major problem, I think it's the proximity of the two crossovers to one another. The locos will all go through either crossover successfully, it's only the double crossover issue that does the damage. If I could add another 6 inches between the two crossovers I think it would sort the problem, but as the main curves start immediately either side of the crossovers that would impact on the radius of the bi-directional line. Let's face it, I am trying to get a quart into a pint pot! Moreover, these crossovers have never been used at any of our first four exhibitions and will only ever be used by maybe one or at most two steam powered trains (the diesels have absolutely no problem) and so I think I will get there eventually as long as we note which locos work successfully and allocate them to the correct trains. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Al. said: Wouldn't the easier and better solution be to replace the points with medium radius, there by removing the need to modify each loco? But is there enough room for medium points? It looks like thete is but it would be worth checking, not just for the QJ's but other stock too. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 Better progress today. Thanks to help from Al (Remagen) Turner, I now had some typical Chinese windows to fit in the truck stop cafe... And now the whole truck stop can be finished. At least this time the detailed interior will be at the front of the layout - where people will actually be able to see it! 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) Now, as for suitable trucks??????? By 2001 modern European branded trucks were beginning to appear in China - or at least I think they were, or perhaps it might be better to say that I hope they were!!! Now, I am not an expert on trucks, but I do have some models which I think/hope will convince 95%of viewers that they are at least WW2 24 3 feasible. Can anyone comment on this Albedo model, will this pass muster or is it totally out of period. I hope that it's feasible. This layout is in many ways like a feature film set in the past in a foreign country, and just like filmmakers make errors because a particular kind of car or tank or whatever no longer exists and so they have to compromise and hope that no one will notice. Edited October 11, 2021 by TEAMYAKIMA 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveNCB7754 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, TEAMYAKIMA said: Can anyone comment on this Albedo model, will this pass muster or is it totally out of period. Quick, non-scientific, internet search suggests you are in the right ball park, plus both colours (green and yellow) appear to be lucky/fortuitous. Whether they are prototypical for Chinese lorries at that time I cannot say, but at least it matches the colour scheme of that passing diesel. Steve N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted October 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2021 It looks a bit "substantial" to, me but once you've roughly stencilled the number plate on, it should look ok. (Light blue with white "stencilling" is what I mostly remember from that time - oh, and various three wheelers and engine-blocks on a small axle pulling a trailer...) Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 The Chinese forestry bureau had Scania trucks from the 1970s, they’re mentioned in some of the old Chinese books I have. There were probably many more - in my translations I’ve been focusing more on the C2s than the road transport which replaced them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Having had a flick through some of my books, it looks like most of the 1970s and 1980s trucks in China had long bonnets, but by the 1990s there were starting to be some like your model. Here’s some of the earlier forestry Scanias, which seem to have been imported in large numbers and widely used: And a JieFang from the 1980s I think, also common at many forestry bureaux: Most of my books were published in the 1980s and early 1990s, I appreciate this is too early for your modelling period. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted October 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: If you ever wandered what means then i'll have a go... In my best (worst) Oldham accented Mandarin I would pronounce it as "Che Cher Yun Cai". I have not put the tones on each syllable, as I can't hear them now! (If I ever did!!!) This translates as " Special Carriage" or "Bus Carrier", or any combination that suits. (Lorry or Bus, in this context, just means 4 wheeled vehicle - even though the number four is not shown. There is no need to distinguish between passengers and goods here either!) This is, therefore, just a very VERY generic description of the photo. Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, SHMD said: In my best (worst) Oldham accented Mandarin You would get on well with a former colleague, who speaks fluent Mandarin with a Preston accent. Another friend has a strong Aberdeen accent. His Cantonese is only slightly less comprehensible than his English. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 hours ago, TEAMYAKIMA said: Now, as for suitable trucks??????? By 2001 modern European branded trucks were beginning to appear in China - or at least I think they were, or perhaps it might be better to say that I hope they were!!! Now, I am not an expert on trucks, but I do have some models which I think/hope will convince 95%of viewers that they are at least WW2 24 3 feasible. Can anyone comment on this Albedo model, will this pass muster or is it totally out of period. I hope that it's feasible. This layout is in many ways like a feature film set in the past in a foreign country, and just like filmmakers make errors because a particular kind of car or tank or whatever no longer exists and so they have to compromise and hope that no one will notice. The cab is definitely a MAN design from around 2000/2001, so it's accurate for the time. Whether or not any got to China, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said: The cab is definitely a MAN design from around 2000/2001, so it's accurate for the time. Whether or not any got to China, I don't know. Weren't there any local knock-offs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 07:39, St Enodoc said: Weren't there any local knock-offs? Quite possibly!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 One of my team (Luke) has found something in Germany which will add some authenticity to the layout And it has wing mirrors! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveNCB7754 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 hours ago, TEAMYAKIMA said: One of my team (Luke) has found something in Germany which will add some authenticity to the layout ... Nice! Absolutely not an expert, but a quick online check of the Audi car timeline, suggests that this is a later 1980's or very early 1990's Audi. Also interesting , is that it seems as though on present day Chinese Police Audi's, they still only have those Chinese characters on the side doors, but also have the same characters repeated on the bonnet with the word 'POLICE' directly underneath (in capital letters). Perhaps an acknowledgement that there are more foreign visitors in China now, than there were 30 years ago. Steve N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, steveNCB7754 said: Nice! Absolutely not an expert, but a quick online check of the Audi car timeline, suggests that this is a later 1980's or very early 1990's Audi. OK, it might be slightly out of the period, but it does have wing mirrors, damn it! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, TEAMYAKIMA said: OK, it might be slightly out of the period, but it does have wing mirrors, damn it! AND windscreen wipers - don't forget those!! We'll be expecting the blue lights to be flashing, when it's on the layout, though. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted October 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, steveNCB7754 said: Also interesting , is that it seems as though on present day Chinese Police Audi's, they still only have those Chinese characters on the side doors, but also have the same characters repeated on the bonnet with the word 'POLICE' directly underneath (in capital letters). 公安 literally says "Public Security" (in this context) but universally means "Police" in mainland China. Pronounced "Gong An". Kev. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: AND windscreen wipers - don't forget those!! We'll be expecting the blue lights to be flashing, when it's on the layout, though. As requested... 1) Express Models (though out of stock as of 15/10/21) https://www.expressmodels.co.uk/catalogue/scenic-effects/emergency-blue-flashing-lamps-detail 2) Layouts4You https://www.layouts4u.net/oo-scale-lighting/oo-scale-illuminated-items/blocksignalling-police-ambulance-model-flashing-lights-blue-12v Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 12 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: 12 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: We'll be expecting the blue lights to be flashing, when it's on the layout, though. I am treading a fine line between features (good) and gimmicks (bad) and I think blue flashing lights are definitely a step too far. TBH I have considered illuminating the street lights after all the layout is supposed to be set soon after dawn. The street lights come fully wired up after all, and I am still undecided but probably 51/49 in favour of leaving them unlit. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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