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3- RfD were 90037-50 from new.

 

4- IC Mainline were 90027-36 from new.

 

8 Railfreight Distribution International (blue roof), 90033 had a diamond on the corridor side under the pantograph, the usual place was for both to be at the non-pantograph end (note the missing valence too).

 

Variation of 11- unbranded Virgin (90007,8 when the class first went to Anglia),

 

Incorrect liveries: Hornby 90020 in Parcels red and 90131 with a lighter variation of grey RfD International (as carried on an 86).

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1 hour ago, sorabain said:

 

Those two pics are going to cause quite a debate in 50 years time about "what colour red was it really?"

 

 

Nah! I'm more concerned about using the correct shade of "brake dust" to weather the underframe...............................

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:) oh, how lovely to see folk come out and update this :) , i'm going to do an updated list of 90 liveries in the next few days ... i loved seeing all the slightly different rfd liveries, i wished DB Cargo had sorted themselves out with their post EWS liveries, I think 90037 looks great in the tired DB livery but the others look naff and all a bit inconsistent , the class members left in EWS should have been given temporary DB treatment like 90037, with the DB nose logo central under the cab windows, the side logo instead of the EWS logo and on the central sides, the EWS wording totally removed and the numbers either maroon (like the 66's ... i.e. 66002) or the faded look (either/or but not a mish mash - come on guys at DB !! ) ... if i was a graffiti artist, i'd sneak in and give 90020, 90026 and 90039 what they are missing, instead though, i'll settle for having the 90's based at Johnson Street IEMD looking their best instead.

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22 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Whilst ive no idea the intentions of LSL, but todate their diesel fleet has tended towards Past liveries, we have to see if the 90’s go historical In Intercity, or hysterical in a LSL house colour....

LSL uses predominantly mk1/2, so, in Intercity the 90’s are going to look a bit odd.. where as an 86/87 are more at home in blue...maybe they might go blood/custard to match the stock ?

 

I was thinking about this the other day as I know that 90006 has been de-branded from Abellio Greater Anglia and although that is on its way to Leeds Midland Road to join the Freightliner camp in the loco transfer of 90003-90015. I understand that LSL have some 47's in the British Railways two gone green, i'd quite like to see the 90's (90001 and 90002) in that livery, or possibly the light blue BR Blue that the ''Les Ross'' one wears. They aren't going to be wearing DB Malcolm, they wont be wearing EWS, so, i'd be open to any livery as such. With the forthcoming Freightliner Orange 90044 and that of the Grand Central 90s, 021, 026, 037 and 039 due in Q2 2020 , we are already due some new liveries on the network and then the LSL 90s as well. Mmmmm . . . . . 

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This was 90045 on its first day in service.. note it has buckeyes and rubbing plates...

 

I rode it earlier in the day between Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly, I recall it was on Manchester - Birmingham diagram, and being informed at Crewe it was day 1... so I had to give it ago.055A1628-88E8-4D1E-B571-0EE410CB0B4C.jpeg.22a236558a16dbe95ddab28d6b98dcc5.jpeg

I don’t have the exact date but I’ve got it as Summer 1990, probably end June / Early July as schools were just out.

 

 

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3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

This was 90045 on its first day in service.. note it has buckeyes and rubbing plates...

 

I rode it earlier in the day between Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly, I recall it was on Manchester - Birmingham diagram, and being informed at Crewe it was day 1... so I had to give it ago.055A1628-88E8-4D1E-B571-0EE410CB0B4C.jpeg.22a236558a16dbe95ddab28d6b98dcc5.jpeg

I don’t have the exact date but I’ve got it as Summer 1990, probably end June / Early July as schools were just out.

 

 

Beautiful photo. Thanks for posting. Very unusual to see an unweathered one!

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On ‎07‎/‎01‎/‎2020 at 23:52, DBC90024 said:

 

Me too Classy52 ... well, i'm going to go one step on from this ... whilst i think its only a matter of time for 90024, I'd settle for any one of the DB/EWS era locos, from 90017 in EWS to 90040 in DB/DBS red, there are so many different variations on this theme and I'm sure Bachmann will do a fully fledged 90024 in DB Malcolm with all the bells and whistles and when they do, i will be at the front of the queue.

 

On ‎08‎/‎01‎/‎2020 at 22:52, DBC90024 said:

Ok, ok, im a big Class 90 fan, both real world and model, so here goes

 

1 InterCity Swallow - numbers 90001-90015 - Bachmann have done one - 90005

2 Freightliner Powerhaul - numbers 90042, 90045, 90048, 90049 - Bachmann have done one - 90042

3 RfD (correct name - Trainload Speedlink ) - numbers 90021, 90022, 90023, 90024, 90025, 90027, 90033, 90037 & 90038 - Bachmann have done one - 90037

 

4 Inter City Mainline - numbers 90027, 90031, 90032, 90033, 90035

5 Freightliner Green - numbers 90016, 90041, 90046

6 Freightliner Grey - numbers 90043, 90044, 90047, 90048, 90050

7 Freightliner Grey (minus triangles) - number 90142 & 90149

8 Trainload Speedlink - numbers 90021, 90022, 90023, 90024, 90025, 90027, 90033, 90037 & 90038

9 National Express Blue - numbers 90001-90015

10 Greater Anglia White - numbers 90001-90015

11 Virgin West Coast - numbers 90001-90015

12 EWS First Scotrail - numbers 90019, 90021 & 90024

13 EWS Maroon - numbers 90017, 90018, 90020, 90023, 90026, 90028, 90029, 90030, 90031, 90032, 90034, 90035, 90037, 90039

14 EWS faded decals - number 90017, 90020, 90023, 90026, 90028, 90030, 90031, 90032, 90035, 90037 & 90039

15 ex-EWS DB - number 90037

16 Belgian livery - number 90128

17 French SNCF livery - number 90130

18 German DB livery - number 90129

19 DB Schenker red - numbers 90018, 90029, 90036 & 90040

20 DB (minus Schenker) red - numbers 90029, 90036 & 90040

21 DB Cargo red - numbers 90019, 90028 & 90035

22 DB Malcolm Rail - number 90024

23 Revised Rfd Grey livery with EWS beastie logo on it - number 90036

24 Direct Rail Services - number 90034

25 ex DRS-DB - number 90034

26 ONE Anglia Blue - numbers 90001-90015 

27 Abellio Anglia Blue - Union Flag livery - number 90009

28 RES red livery - numbers 90016, 90017, 90018, 90019 & 90020

29 Railfreight distribution (RfD) - 2005 onwards - on the sides of the loco - numbers 90021, 90024, 90026, 

30 GNER - number 90024

31 Revised Railfreight Distribution - number 90036

 

Newest to the list

 

32 Freightliner Orange and black - number 90044

33 Grand Central - Black & Orange stripe (Q2-Q4 2020) - numbers 90021, 90026, 90037 & 90039

 

I think I have got them all..

 

With so many different liveries to choose from that do NOT clash with one being produced by Hornby, unless Bachmann has already committed to the Malcolm livery on 90024, why on earth would they produce that? Duplication is an unnecessary financial risk so don't raise your hopes or you risk being disappointed.

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2 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

 

 

With so many different liveries to choose from that do NOT clash with one being produced by Hornby, unless Bachmann has already committed to the Malcolm livery on 90024, why on earth would they produce that? Duplication is an unnecessary financial risk so don't raise your hopes or you risk being disappointed.

 

So, you don't think they will produce 90024 in Malcolm Rail when Hornby have just released it ... Bachmann released the Malcolm Rail Class 66 (412 ? and 434 ? ) several years ago ... and Hornby have just released those as well as in their 2020 model range, even though they are no longer in active service (as was part of DRS contract with Malcolm) ... clearly, they aren't worried about duplication ? Besides, Hornby and Bachmann aren't really in direct competition anyway. Bachmann are competing more with Hattons exclusives, Accurascales and a few other specialist manufacturers.

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1 hour ago, DBC90024 said:

 

So, you don't think they will produce 90024 in Malcolm Rail when Hornby have just released it ... Bachmann released the Malcolm Rail Class 66 (412 ? and 434 ? ) several years ago ... and Hornby have just released those as well as in their 2020 model range, even though they are no longer in active service (as was part of DRS contract with Malcolm) ... clearly, they aren't worried about duplication ? Besides, Hornby and Bachmann aren't really in direct competition anyway. Bachmann are competing more with Hattons exclusives, Accurascales and a few other specialist manufacturers.


Bachmann are competing with Hornby for the Class 90 market, which is much smaller than for the omnipresent Class 66. Also, Hornby copying Bachmann’s liveries with a cheaper model is not the same as the other way round. So I personally think Bachmann will prioritise other Class 90 liveries where they have a clear run rather than deliberately duplicate and risk theirs sitting in their warehouse. 

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Im currently doing a few for customers ....

 

90040 The Railway Mission in EWS

90016 in Freightliner Green

90034 in DB Cargo (ex DRS Blue)

90135 Crewe Basford Hall in RfD

90019 Penny Black in RES Livery

90015 Colchester Castle in Greater Anglia White

 

Plans to do ....

 

90044 in Freightliner Orange/Black

90034 in DRS Livery

90011 West Coast Rail 250 in Virgin Livery

90013 The Law Society in Virgin Livery 

 

Am sure there will be more from Bachmann ..... just under a month to find out and then another couple of years to wait ......

 

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1 hour ago, cambo74 said:

 

Am sure there will be more from Bachmann ..... just under a month to find out and then another couple of years to wait ......

 

They do normally announce models well in advance but sometimes slip out re-liveries relatively quickly.

90128 seemed to appear with very little prior notice.

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2 hours ago, brushman47544 said:


Bachmann are competing with Hornby for the Class 90 market, which is much smaller than for the omnipresent Class 66. Also, Hornby copying Bachmann’s liveries with a cheaper model is not the same as the other way round. So I personally think Bachmann will prioritise other Class 90 liveries where they have a clear run rather than deliberately duplicate and risk theirs sitting in their warehouse. 

 

Thats nonsense... on the basis of this, Bachmann will produce only the models Hornby haven't, so why did they produce an IC Swallow and an RfD, both which Hornby have produced 

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12 minutes ago, DBC90024 said:

 

Thats nonsense... on the basis of this, Bachmann will produce only the models Hornby haven't, so why did they produce an IC Swallow and an RfD, both which Hornby have produced 

 

Because (I think) they are different numbers of the same livery - not a one-off such as 90024.

 

Remember - as an aside - Hattons original list of 66s didn't replicate any previous number/livery combinations on all previous 66 releases.

 

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1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said:

They do normally announce models well in advance but sometimes slip out re-liveries relatively quickly.

90128 seemed to appear with very little prior notice.

 

90128 was a Collectors Club model though and they tend to just get released on the spot or certainly only announced a week or so before delivery.

 

I certainly hope for more Class 90s to be announced soon

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1 hour ago, newbryford said:

 

Because (I think) they are different numbers of the same livery - not a one-off such as 90024.

 

Remember - as an aside - Hattons original list of 66s didn't replicate any previous number/livery combinations on all previous 66 releases.

 

 

Whilst no number/liveries may have been combined the livery itself is normally the main issue. I for one wouldn't care about the number of a particular loco, I'd be more bothered about if/what it was named and (in the case of the 66) what the lights are like

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14 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Whilst no number/liveries may have been combined the livery itself is normally the main issue. I for one wouldn't care about the number of a particular loco, I'd be more bothered about if/what it was named and (in the case of the 66) what the lights are like

 

Quite:

Numbers may not bother you or me, but lots are concerned about numbers - they don't want two locos with the same number.

Many folks are unwilling to renumber so duplicating a number/livery combo pretty much automatically reduces the sales potential.

 

My original reply was concerning duplication of a one-off.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

Quite:

Numbers may not bother you or me, but lots are concerned about numbers - they don't want two locos with the same number.

Many folks are unwilling to renumber so duplicating a number/livery combo pretty much automatically reduces the sales potential.

 

My original reply was concerning duplication of a one-off.

 

 

 

 

 

I get not wanting to duplicate a one off, it's more that how many people will also combine different models from different manufacturers in the same livery with different numbers? I'd have thought most of the industry would be whatever the best model and generally different models wouldn't be run together really closely as one would show the others flaws up too much? I haven't been back in this long but I know my Hornby 90 from the 90s would not look good next to my Bachmann one regardless of number or livery

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14 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I get not wanting to duplicate a one off, it's more that how many people will also combine different models from different manufacturers in the same livery with different numbers? I'd have thought most of the industry would be whatever the best model and generally different models wouldn't be run together really closely as one would show the others flaws up too much? I haven't been back in this long but I know my Hornby 90 from the 90s would not look good next to my Bachmann one regardless of number or livery

 

More than you think.

There was considerable "discussion" on the Hornby 87 thread when they duplicated number/livery combos of previous Lima releases............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hahahaha ok. I just couldn't see myself with various models with massive difference in perceived quality mingling. I have two Accurascale 37s on order and I own 2 Bachmann 37s but at present they are not clashing in terms of release so won't be moving the Bachmanns on (if and when the Accurascale ones prove better than them)....

 

If they did I'd be thinking

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1 minute ago, TomScrut said:

Hahahaha ok. I just couldn't see myself with various models with massive difference in perceived quality mingling. I have two Accurascale 37s on order and I own 2 Bachmann 37s but at present they are not clashing in terms of release so won't be moving the Bachmanns on (if and when the Accurascale ones prove better than them)....

 

If they did I'd be thinking

 

Likewise, many - including me, will be running Bachmann 66s alongside the Hattons offerings.

 

But there will always be those that will "trade up" to the newest release.

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13 hours ago, newbryford said:

 

Likewise, many - including me, will be running Bachmann 66s alongside the Hattons offerings.

 

But there will always be those that will "trade up" to the newest release.

I'll have Hattons 66 next to my 2 Bachmann 66s. But from a value perspective I hope Hattons don't do Evening Star or Harry Beck! Although at least I got a good deal on Evening Star (it's the NRM one and I got it better than RRP), Harry Beck I had to pay typical prices

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