Squirrel Rail Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 said: Does anyone have any good photos of IC Swallow class 90s after privatisation as I am looking to update mine to suit this period? Have you tried Rail Photo Archive? - it’s a great reference source, cheers Jerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted September 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2020 I must admit these days Flickr is my go-to for railway photos - simply type in your chosen loco number followed by the year (eg 90001 1998) and boom you’ve got like 30+ perfect pics there from all angles! Even better, download the app on your smartphone and screenshot away... to think only relatively few years back we’d make do with a grainy magazine photo of a generic similar loco & hope for the best, or actually print a pic out off the new internet, how times change! 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Squirrel Rail said: Will do - I’ve 4 others to go with it but still making up my mind on liveries! If you're up for suggestions...I have a ton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel Rail Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: If you're up for suggestions...I have a ton So far I’m thinking 90036 with big beastie logos, 030 in Ews, 019 in Res, 126 in Rf grey and a RFD European....quite a nice mix! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Many thanks for the suggestions! I have noticed that there’s no OHLE warning flashes on it. Was this normal? cheers, Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel Rail Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 said: Many thanks for the suggestions! I have noticed that there’s no OHLE warning flashes on it. Was this normal? cheers, Matthew Hi Matthew - which 90 are you referring to? My list above is the ones I’m doing so hope we haven’t got our wires crossed!! Cheers Jerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Squirrel Rail said: Hi Matthew - which 90 are you referring to? My list above is the ones I’m doing so hope we haven’t got our wires crossed!! Cheers Jerry I’m looking at 90005 and the pictures which came up on Flickr in 1998 don’t show any OHLE flashes on it. A quick google to show some other 90s in the same era with IC Swallow also don’t show them. Cheers Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Squirrel Rail said: So far I’m thinking 90036 with big beastie logos, 030 in Ews, 019 in Res, 126 in Rf grey and a RFD European....quite a nice mix! RfD Euro please!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel Rail Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 said: I’m looking at 90005 and the pictures which came up on Flickr in 1998 don’t show any OHLE flashes on it. A quick google to show some other 90s in the same era with IC Swallow also don’t show them. Cheers Matthew I've attached a couple of pics I took at Euston early 90s and no flashes on intercity or mainline 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel Rail Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, MGR Hooper! said: RfD Euro please!! I'm waiting for the paint!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 48 minutes ago, Squirrel Rail said: I've attached a couple of pics I took at Euston early 90s and no flashes on intercity or mainline Many thanks for that! I may see it getting mine weathered to how I can see it in the pictures then! Cheers Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcyg Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 6 hours ago, LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 said: I’m looking at 90005 and the pictures which came up on Flickr in 1998 don’t show any OHLE flashes on it. A quick google to show some other 90s in the same era with IC Swallow also don’t show them. Cheers Matthew OHLE locos didn't need flashes until later on, maybe even privatisation (my interest stops at 1992 so i'm not sure on the exact date). They had to have the orange cantrail stripe though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 18/09/2020 at 18:44, DBC90024 said: Yes it is Freightliner have 90003-90016 and 90041-90050 Are you sure? I thought DB and freightliner did a swop 90016 for 90050 when 90050 was taken out of service. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: Are you sure? I thought DB and freightliner did a swop 90016 for 90050 when 90050 was taken out of service. 90016 was part of EWS originally, but it was taken on by Freightliner after 90050's problems, this was sometime ago, so Freightliner's original 90s were 90016, then 90041 to 050. DB's 90s are 90017 - 90040 Kat :-) Edited September 20, 2020 by DBC90024 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 said: I’m looking at 90005 and the pictures which came up on Flickr in 1998 don’t show any OHLE flashes on it. A quick google to show some other 90s in the same era with IC Swallow also don’t show them. Cheers Matthew OHLE flashes were only required at access points to the roof, or potentially above the cantrail. This was mostly retroactive as diesels/ electrics of the 1960’s didn’t recognise the safety issue associated with it, and roof access was a norm (carried over from steam days)...indeed it’s ironic the AC electrics (86/87) didn’t have ohle flashes until privatisation, whilst steam and diesel around them did. The one I found ironic was the Bury line class 504’s having them, yet never going near OHLE.. and nothing to warn of 3rd rail. However the class 90’s were designed without steps to roof access, and as such didn’t need OHLE flashes.. it was designed out... Moving forwards to 2020, the IEP fell fowl of forgetting why history evolved how it did, as the cables between coaches allowed a potential ladder climb to the roof, and no OHLE flashes Edited September 20, 2020 by adb968008 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 hours ago, adb968008 said: OHLE flashes were only required at access points to the roof, or potentially above the cantrail. This was mostly retroactive as diesels/ electrics of the 1960’s didn’t recognise the safety issue associated with it, and roof access was a norm (carried over from steam days)...indeed it’s ironic the AC electrics (86/87) didn’t have ohle flashes until privatisation, whilst steam and diesel around them did. The one I found ironic was the Bury line class 504’s having them, yet never going near OHLE.. and nothing to warn of 3rd rail. However the class 90’s were designed without steps to roof access, and as such didn’t need OHLE flashes.. it was designed out... Moving forwards to 2020, the IEP fell fowl of forgetting why history evolved how it did, as the cables between coaches allowed a potential ladder climb to the roof, and no OHLE flashes Ahhh ok that makes more sense! Many thanks for the info! How come the LSL repaints of the class 90s do have them then? Is it just required these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 hours ago, adb968008 said: Moving forwards to 2020, the IEP fell fowl of forgetting why history evolved how it did, as the cables between coaches allowed a potential ladder climb to the roof, and no OHLE flashes Which I think has now been corrected? Haven't they made the top cables longer to remove the ladder effect or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 19/09/2020 at 11:22, DBC90024 said: Oh wow, that is a brilliant picture @CB Rail !!! i love that livery ... DB did great work in the paintshop @ Toton when that went on (I am bias though I guess) it'll be vinyls .... big stickers! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 On 19/09/2020 at 17:02, MGR Hooper! said: Looking fab...keep us posted. On 19/09/2020 at 13:22, Squirrel Rail said: Talking of paintshops RES underway - despite the light trying to make it look DB Go on... stick a large DB logo on it and have done with it LOL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel Rail Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, DBC90024 said: Go on... stick a large DB logo on it and have done with it LOL That will have to wait for another one- May even have a few gliders on it if Steve does the trabsfers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Squirrel Rail said: That will have to wait for another one- May even have a few gliders on it if Steve does the trabsfers I could think of one or two reasons why it shouldnt have them on it lol Kat@johnsonstreetIEMD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 01/08/2020 at 11:11, Philou said: Someone from our office went to the US and brought back some Hershey's 'chocolate'. It was truly awful compared to the then Cadbury's. Hershey's reminded me of condensed milk with some brown colourant in it. I had a three month stint in the US back in the early 2000s. Craving proper chocolate, I was excited to find a box of Cadbury creme eggs in store. This was followed by a deflating disappointment when I bit into one. It’s only then that I read the fine print on the box: “made under licence by Hershey” On 01/08/2020 at 16:59, wombatofludham said: Hersheys? The "chocolate" flavoured with real vomit. Vile beyond description. I believe that they add sodium butyrate to prevent heat spoilage. It’s that that gives the vomit notes. It also prevents enjoyment. Sorry for the OT 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold cambo74 Posted September 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 22/09/2020 at 19:54, Squirrel Rail said: That will have to wait for another one- May even have a few gliders on it if Steve does the trabsfers Copying me again ...... lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM47079 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 20/09/2020 at 17:35, brushman47544 said: Are you sure? I thought DB and freightliner did a swop 90016 for 90050 when 90050 was taken out of service. It is a convoluted tale. Yes 90016 was exchanged for 90050 as the maintenance was done on 90050 by EWS then. after that 90042 caught fire followed by 90044 catching fire and 90046 having derailment damage at Bletchley. 90044 was repaired using parts from 90042, and the bogies off 90042 went on 90046. Then as I understand it. 90050 was purchased and 90042 was repaired using parts from 90050. I imagine the feasibility of doing the repairs on 90042 using 90050 was looked into before purchase. It would appear the bogies off 90046 must have been damaged in some way as when the bogie overhaul programme was carried out 90041 was left bogieless at Leeds midland road for about a year as they needed a float of a pair of bogies. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Modelling inspiration this afternoon caught in the form of some live footage of two of my favourites, DB 90028 and 90024 on 4M25, and also a short while after LSL's 90001 passing through Stafford. I originally planned to catch 90024 asap when it had been due to be testing after having been reinstated by DB. Unknown to me, at the time, it had actually been down to Stafford with 90034 and I'd missed it which i was really cross about, sooo having seen it was back on play on 4m25, I set out to catch it Tuesday just gone, it didnt run I had my wires crossed, so Wednesday, but no, DB Blue and Malcolm had a falling out, and DB Blue was sent home early after misbehaving at Mossend. Soooo, up went Sir Bill (90028) to do the run today, as it turned out, today has been the best of the three days, getting an additional bonus seeing a third 90, okay not a DB one, but LSL's 90001 as well. Edited September 25, 2020 by DBC90024 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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