classy52 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) That panto servo sounds awful...cross between rifling for coins in your pocket and a bag of chains Still getting one but will be interested how the sound of this one will compare to the Accurascale 92 panto servo. Edited May 27, 2019 by classy52 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legomanbiffo Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Carl BR said: Great work Ian. Just one thing, you may want to have another look at the CV values for the disabling / re-enabling the pantograph. There is no difference in the CV values between the disabled and enabled mode's. Well spotted Carl, the dreaded cut and paste error. The last line in the 'enable' list should say CV363 = 27 as per the corrected bulletin below. Regarding the noisy pan servo, someone at Railex told me that those on the Roco locos are near silent in operation. 90 reblow v7a for bachmann loco-Bulletin.pdf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David12 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 OK, so tell me I should read the bulletin closely, but I cannot see for the life of me which Function operates the pantograph, nor which CV allows the variation of the height of the pan when raised (as in the Bachmann/Zimo decoder). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, classy52 said: That panto servo sounds awful...cross between rifling for coins in your pocket and a bag of chains Still getting one but will be interested how the sound of this one will compare to the Accurascale 92 panto servo. The ESU Functions on the Legomanbiffo decoder are: Project Version 7 for Bachmann Class 90 Pantograph Enabled Model F0 Directional Lights. F1 Drive On/Off F2 Playable High Note Horn. F3 Playable Low Note Horn. F4 Buffering up (When Moving). F4 Uncoupling Hook Sounds (When Stationery). F5 Playable Active Brake Application (When Moving). F5 Brake Dump (When Stationery) F6 Drivers door slam. F7 Compressor. F8 Not Used. F9 Automatic Flange/Wheel Squeal. F10 Despatch Whistle. F11 Guard to Driver 'Right of Way signal' Buzzer with optional reply. F12 Night Time Running Mode (Headlights) F13 Sanders. F14 Nuetral Section. F15 Spirax Valves. F16 Mk3 coach wail. F17 Directional 'AutoFade' Cab Lights. F18 Speed Dependant, Flash Enabled Detonators. F19 Headlights: Train Mode, Train at No1 End. F20 Headlights: Train Mode, Train at No2 End. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, charliepetty said: The ESU Functions on the Legomanbiffo decoder are: Project Version 7 for Bachmann Class 90 Pantograph Enabled Model F0 Directional Lights. F1 Drive On/Off F2 Playable High Note Horn. F3 Playable Low Note Horn. F4 Buffering up (When Moving). F4 Uncoupling Hook Sounds (When Stationery). F5 Playable Active Brake Application (When Moving). F5 Brake Dump (When Stationery) F6 Drivers door slam. F7 Compressor. F8 Not Used. F9 Automatic Flange/Wheel Squeal. F10 Despatch Whistle. F11 Guard to Driver 'Right of Way signal' Buzzer with optional reply. F12 Night Time Running Mode (Headlights) F13 Sanders. F14 Nuetral Section. F15 Spirax Valves. F16 Mk3 coach wail. F17 Directional 'AutoFade' Cab Lights. F18 Speed Dependant, Flash Enabled Detonators. F19 Headlights: Train Mode, Train at No1 End. F20 Headlights: Train Mode, Train at No2 End. Which Function Key gets rid of that awful panto servo noise? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 51 minutes ago, classy52 said: Which Function Key gets rid of that awful panto servo noise? A Hammer or a spray can of foam!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 26/05/2019 at 17:00, Dagworth said: It seems that some IC versions have the white light surrounds while others have yellow. (Mine has yellow) Does anyone have a photo of a 90 in IC with yellow light surrounds? Andi Seen with a white outline like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/trevor-plackett/7269618628/ but never knowingly in yellow I have to say. Strange as its not even the correct colour for one of the other two versions, so why were any painted yellow at all. Perhaps you have a rarety and should keep it as an investment...………..or not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 Got mine from Rails of Sheffield today - bent buffer and one rubbing plate hanging off. I read Yes Tor's critique of the model earlier in the thread, and although I often find his comments spot-on, I did feel he was off the mark on this one. For me the only area of concern with the model is the bufferbeam and faring. There should be a void under both buffers (I'm no longer sure if this extends all the way across) and Bachmann have really fudged that area, with the ETS fittings being attached to apocryphal lumps where the void should be (see deliberately over-exposed photo). Not sure how to correct this, but at least it gives me some modelling to do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 57 minutes ago, Daddyman said: Got mine from Rails of Sheffield today - bent buffer and one rubbing plate hanging off. I read Yes Tor's critique of the model earlier in the thread, and although I often find his comments spot-on, I did feel he was off the mark on this one. For me the only area of concern with the model is the bufferbeam and faring. There should be a void under both buffers (I'm no longer sure if this extends all the way across) and Bachmann have really fudged that area, with the ETS fittings being attached to apocryphal lumps where the void should be (see deliberately over-exposed photo). Not sure how to correct this, but at least it gives me some modelling to do... That ones got round buffers, never noticed one like that before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 Could be one end only - it's 90019 in 2010. It certainly had round ones on at least one end in RES livery in 2004: https://railphotoprints.uk/p342681013/h302734EA#h302734ea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Just bought my 90 today from Grimy Times in Warrington- lovely model, as good as Cindy Crawford! As an 86/87 loyalist; the 90, at the time beat my hero engines. But 30 years later, the intercity class 90 is so much a part of the BR rail tapestry during the 80s, as were the 86/87s. Was so tempted to buy the 90 Freightliner- looks fantastic, but finances mean I have to wait!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, gazwire said: Just bought my 90 today from Grimy Times in Warrington- lovely model, as good as Cindy Crawford! As an 86/87 loyalist; the 90, at the time beat my hero engines. But 30 years later, the intercity class 90 is so much a part of the BR rail tapestry during the 80s, as were the 86/87s. Was so tempted to buy the 90 Freightliner- looks fantastic, but finances mean I have to wait!). 14 minutes ago, gazwire said: Just bought my 90 today from Grimy Times in Warrington- lovely model, as good as Cindy Crawford! As an 86/87 loyalist; the 90, at the time beat my hero engines. But 30 years later, the intercity class 90 is so much a part of the BR rail tapestry during the 80s, as were the 86/87s. Was so tempted to buy the 90 Freightliner- looks fantastic, but finances mean I have to wait!). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold cambo74 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2019 Mine turned up today and straight in the spray bath ... slightly fiddly to take apart and gonna be a right b**gger to put back together but got there in the end. Sadly the Bachmann glue man was as heavy handed as usual with the glue for the glazing but will get that sorted .... Anyways - number 1 will be going into DB Schenker Livery as 90018 and the second one will be EWS as 90031 ..... I'll post pics of progress on my workbench thread - Bens Resprays ...... Ben 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 hours ago, brushman47544 said: Seen with a white outline like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/trevor-plackett/7269618628/ but never knowingly in yellow I have to say. Strange as its not even the correct colour for one of the other two versions, so why were any painted yellow at all. Perhaps you have a rarety and should keep it as an investment...………..or not! 90028 in SNCB had reinforced warning yellow ones in its later guise, perhaps there is a limited edition on the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Tis a lovely loco, but a shame that the motorised panto is so noisy when this was one of the 'big things' about it. Hopefully a mod will come along for it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Ouroborus said: Tis a lovely loco, but a shame that the motorised panto is so noisy when this was one of the 'big things' about it. Hopefully a mod will come along for it. How far has this hobby advanced when the worst that can be said about a model is that the working panto is too noisy? 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: How far has this hobby advanced when the worst that can be said about a model is that the working panto is too noisy? We'll see if it can be advanced further when Accurascale have a go. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 As mentioned previously on here Legomanbiffo referred to a Euro brand Roco that has a near silent panto servo for their electric loco's thus if this is the case then Bachmann should have done way better in this regard...seriously can't imagine Accurascale or DJM putting in a dreadfully noisy servo in their upcoming 92's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, classy52 said: .... can't imagine Accurascale or DJM putting in a dreadfully noisy servo in their upcoming 92's. You are imagining a DJM 92? Asking for a friend. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, 'CHARD said: You are imagining a DJM 92? Asking for a friend. I was just being nice...maybe not 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted May 29, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, classy52 said: seriously can't imagine... DJM putting in a dreadfully noisy servo in their upcoming 92's. No, neither can I. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, classy52 said: As mentioned previously on here Legomanbiffo referred to a Euro brand Roco that has a near silent panto servo for their electric loco's thus if this is the case then Bachmann should have done way better in this regard...seriously can't imagine Accurascale or DJM putting in a dreadfully noisy servo in their upcoming 92's. The fact that you are brave enough to even imagine a djm 92 is impressive in itself. Every time (which is infrequent i admit) that i summon up the courage to watch my djm austerity shudder, lurch, and grind its painful way around my layout i try to push the thought of that firm making anything else i might want to buy firmly out of my mind. The loco is waiting for "old shep" nameplates, because i have this longing to take it round the back of the farm and put it out of its misery. Edited May 29, 2019 by The Ghost of IKB 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, The Ghost of IKB said: The fact that you are brave enough to even imagine a djm 92 is impressive in itself. Every time (which is infrequent i admit) that i summon up the courage to watch my djm austerity shudder, lurch, and grind its painful way around my layout i try to push the thought of that firm making anything else i might want to buy firmly out of my mind. The loco is waiting for "old shep" nameplates, because i have this longing to take it round the back of the farm and put it out of its misery. Luckily I've never owned a DJM product and most likely never will...allow me to extend my deepest sympathies 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markwalker67 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) I do think the pantograph is that noise On class 90 1 hour ago, classy52 said: On 21/05/2019 at 07:05, DBC90024 said: Edited May 29, 2019 by Markwalker67 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rencar12 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Have just ordered my new Bachmann Class 90 Freightliner. Should I be worried about this? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OLI7kDxuVY Really don't want to experience this, when trying to fit the Bachmann Class 90 decoder! Anyone else had any trouble? Incidentally I noticed that Rails of Sheffield have now gone out of stock of the decoder. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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