RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 I will definitely be getting rid of mine and replacing with something earlier. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 HI All A Maersk 20ft container of the correct era . Regards Arran 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 I already have been building up some C Rail containers from the late 80s for my FFAs and FGAs. Looks like I will need to pick up some more at Warley. What Paul said about the fixings was interesting. I will have to experiment when the wagons arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Yep, the other thing is that older Maersk boxes like that were silver, not the modern grey. I've always presumed the grey was the SeaLand grey, anyone know for sure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Yep, the other thing is that older Maersk boxes like that were silver, not the modern grey. I've always presumed the grey was the SeaLand grey, anyone know for sure? HI All Silver of sorts as i got the correct shade once . Regards Arran 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Did these wagons carry "private owner" containers from the start or was that a later innovation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Did these wagons carry "private owner" containers from the start or was that a later innovation? If you look at photos I've posted some (not many) privately owned containers were in use very early on. -Winns, BP, Sainsbury's. Triang made a fair fist of some of the early containers. However they do slightly predate cross Atlantic maritime container ships and maritime traffic took a long time to build up - it was a largely domestic service for many years, And there were problems of access to the depots because of NFU action. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I thought these are not released yet. They are on sale. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) They are on sale. Paul Still waiting for these 38 -625 & 38 - 626 hopefully very soon when they decide to release them. Edited November 16, 2018 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinC37LG Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 We have now received our 38-627 and 38-628, and have updated our "Model Shop" topic with the details. These will also be available on our stand at Warley (C59) so do come and find us. Look out for the big pictures of 37003! They are on sale. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) Would anyone agree these two Bachmann Container Flats are bit on the expensive side? (yes I don't have to buy them, yes we are a free market, yes someone has to pay Chinese wages, yes Bachmann have to make a profit and yes apparently we have been lucky on previous years prices...good now I've got those out of the way) Are these special in any way to justify over £42 for a single wagon and over £84 for the twin pack even with containers and that doesn't include postage? This is a genuine question? Edited November 16, 2018 by classy52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mevaman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Classy52 These prices are the new ‘normal’. For a super-detailed model that replaces a basic Hornby rendition, the pricing seems reasonable to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Would anyone agree these two Bachmann Container Flats are bit on the expensive side? (yes I don't have to buy them, yes we are a free market, yes someone has to pay Chinese wages, yes Bachmann have to make a profit and yes apparently we have been lucky on previous years prices...good now I've got those out of the way) Are these special in any way to justify over £42 for a single wagon and over £84 for the twin pack even with containers and that doesn't include postage? This is a genuine question? Look at the current list prices and compare with ten years ago, I now regret not buying China Clay Polybulks at the original price but that’s life! It was the same when beer went beyond £1 a pint in pubs and clubs but most of us are still drinking the stuff at these prices! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2018 Would anyone agree these two Bachmann Container Flats are bit on the expensive side? (yes I don't have to buy them, yes we are a free market, yes someone has to pay Chinese wages, yes Bachmann have to make a profit and yes apparently we have been lucky on previous years prices...good now I've got those out of the way) Are these special in any way to justify over £42 for a single wagon and over £84 for the twin pack even with containers and that doesn't include postage? This is a genuine question? Welcome to the real world! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Would anyone agree these two Bachmann Container Flats are bit on the expensive side? (yes I don't have to buy them, yes we are a free market, yes someone has to pay Chinese wages, yes Bachmann have to make a profit and yes apparently we have been lucky on previous years prices...good now I've got those out of the way) Are these special in any way to justify over £42 for a single wagon and over £84 for the twin pack even with containers and that doesn't include postage? This is a genuine question? If you want them then snap them up while they are about at this price. Take a look at page 50 of The Times today re predictions for future trends in the value of the pound and the effect on inflation. Railway modelling is a niche market, with smaller runs at higher prices. Prices will continue to increase at a greater rate than in other sectors. We are fortunate that Bachmann have kept faith with us and are still willing to invest in the hobby. With 4 wheel wagons heading over £25 and coaches well over £50 they would seem to be priced in the right general area. Bernard Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Would anyone agree these two Bachmann Container Flats are bit on the expensive side? (yes I don't have to buy them, yes we are a free market, yes someone has to pay Chinese wages, yes Bachmann have to make a profit and yes apparently we have been lucky on previous years prices...good now I've got those out of the way) Are these special in any way to justify over £42 for a single wagon and over £84 for the twin pack even with containers and that doesn't include postage? This is a genuine question? Bachmann wagons tend to be at the high end of the spectrum, but are well produced and detailed. In fairness with this product, you do get 2 containers with the inner version and 4 with the outers, which is about £18 and £36 respectively using C-Rail discount prices. The most recent comparable model is the Dapol IDA lowfloor, which works out at about £19 for a single wagon without containers, discounted (they are sold as a pair). Add in the containers and you have a similar price. In the Bachmann maritime version, you get a tankcontainer, which is a more detailed and costly type in model form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Classy52 These prices are the new ‘normal’. For a super-detailed model that replaces a basic Hornby rendition, the pricing seems reasonable to me. Which Hornby rendition, the only decent one to compare against is the KFA wagons with containers which are still reasonably priced even if you bought two it would still be about £30 below the Bachmann. These latest Bachmann ones makes the Dapol & Hatton's variants seam cheap with or without containers. Look at the current list prices and compare with ten years ago, I now regret not buying China Clay Polybulks at the original price but that’s life! It was the same when beer went beyond £1 a pint in pubs and clubs but most of us are still drinking the stuff at these prices! Mark Saunders I've only been into railway modelling for the last 4 years so I'll take your word for it, having said that the prices have spiked considerably in the last 4 years. Welcome to the real world! Mike. Yes indeed, btw I was already in it. If you want them then snap them up while they are about at this price. Take a look at page 50 of The Times today re predictions for future trends in the value of the pound and the effect on inflation. Railway modelling is a niche market, with smaller runs at higher prices. Prices will continue to increase at a greater rate than in other sectors. We are fortunate that Bachmann have kept faith with us and are still willing to invest in the hobby. With 4 wheel wagons heading over £25 and coaches well over £50 they would seem to be priced in the right general area. Bernard Bernard Yeah I already stated I don't have to buy them but was just asking the question. From where I'm standing and only been into this for the 4 years and it seems to me railway modelling is big business and not exactly a niche market as such considering the new players that have come onto the scene. As if Bachmann would leave this hobby market, I don't think so. Bachmann wagons tend to be at the high end of the spectrum, but are well produced and detailed. In fairness with this product, you do get 2 containers with the inner version and 4 with the outers, which is about £18 and £36 respectively using C-Rail discount prices. The most recent comparable model is the Dapol IDA lowfloor, which works out at about £19 for a single wagon without containers, discounted (they are sold as a pair). Add in the containers and you have a similar price. In the Bachmann maritime version, you get a tankcontainer, which is a more detailed and costly type in model form. So are Dapols, Hornby KFA's and now I would think Hatton's and to me they seem more reasonably priced than the Bachmann's. Overall valid points and everyone is entitled to their opinions but I still say these wagons are overpriced for what they are and I suppose soon enough they'll end up the same price as a powered locomotive. But yes we are the consumer and have complete control to buy or not to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Before the Hornby KFA, Hornby did a basic FFA/FGA inner only which was very cheap and crude. The KFA (When I was picking some up 5+ years ago) seemed to have an rrp of £35 ish pounds which was a lot more expensive than their more toy like previous model. At a similar time, C-rail FLA pairs were about £45. Given the way inflation has been this last few years £42 for a new single sounds about right. The Hornby KFA has been around for a while now, finding discounted prices on models that have been sat on shop shelves for a while isn't surprising. I don't know what the rrp of a new KFA is these days but the model has been out for quite a while now. Ref the cost reaching that of a locomotive; the main basic difference between an engine and a coach/wagon is the motor. Motors on their own aren't really that expensive so I think we had a good deal for quite a long time on how cheap wagons/coaches were compared to engines. The main price booster for engines now seems to be the circuit boards, lighting, DCC fitted, sound fitted, etc. Just my thoughts anyway. I have a pair of outers and 2x inners pre ordered with my local shop, The price is the limiting factor on wanting anymore at this immediate time but will wait and see what happens as they start selling. As noted earlier in this thread, what happens if there ends up being an excess of inners left on the shelf? I can see discounts then, and plenty of people have added headstocks and buffers to the original Hornby model over the years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Which Hornby rendition, the only decent one to compare against is the KFA wagons with containers which are still reasonably priced even if you bought two it would still be about £30 below the Bachmann. These latest Bachmann ones makes the Dapol & Hatton's variants seam cheap with or without containers. I've only been into railway modelling for the last 4 years so I'll take your word for it, having said that the prices have spiked considerably in the last 4 years. Yes indeed, btw I was already in it. Yeah I already stated I don't have to buy them but was just asking the question. From where I'm standing and only been into this for the 4 years and it seems to me railway modelling is big business and not exactly a niche market as such considering the new players that have come onto the scene. As if Bachmann would leave this hobby market, I don't think so. So are Dapols, Hornby KFA's and now I would think Hatton's and to me they seem more reasonably priced than the Bachmann's. Overall valid points and everyone is entitled to their opinions but I still say these wagons are overpriced for what they are and I suppose soon enough they'll end up the same price as a powered locomotive. But yes we are the consumer and have complete control to buy or not to buy. Don't be so sassy, classy. I've spent some considerable time on the naughty step, in the past, for uttering such truths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle50043 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Does anyone know if the containers are interchangable between the flats ? as having several 'Mearsk' wagons together will look a bit pants lol. cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterfgf Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 So far as I understand it, and i'm very open to more info here: MAEU were Maersk's old pre Sea-Land merger marks. MSKU I believe was used from the Maersk Sealand merger, with the marks still being used for a time after "Sealand" was dropped again - so my suspicion is that the MSKU box dates from the later part of the use of those marks (mid 00s). MRKU is a later mark again, I suspect these marks started from the P&O Nedlloyd merger (2005) - unscientific I know, but my oldest shot of any MRKU is of a very shiny new one in 2008 - there are no white borders on the current Maersk scheme either! I do believe that the Maersk ones are borderline for use on an FFA/FGA at best. (Web addresses reinforce this...) They are lovely container models, but unless you model the last couple of years of their use you'd be better off trading them to a modeller of a later period (who ought to rightly bite your hand off...!) Sorry if this has already been posted, but the container owner codes can identified here: https://www.bic-code.org/ Peterfgf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Does anyone know if the containers are interchangable between the flats ? Yes, you can put them where you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Yes, you can put them where you like. But lube is recommended - if you really think these wagons are that bad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfofBadenoch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Received FGA pair and FFA today from Rails. Here's a quick video i shot of them and the DBSO which also arrived. The threesome reversed well through points, before running fine. Containers were just placed directly onto wagons without using any of the supplied 'pins' - i was in a hurry to get them tested and have a shot of them before the children got home from school - as you can hear in the last clip i didn't make it! https://youtu.be/j6DBU35SG-M 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted November 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2018 Do the early ones have TOPS codes and if so what would be involved to put them back to as built? Is it possible that Bachmann will do as built without twistlocks ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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