w124bob Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Came across this very modelable five car set , I'm pretty confident all the boxes can be done using Hornby and CRail Freightliner containers . With the Railtec "Freightliner Limited" set to reletter the two redstripe boxes. However look closely and there's a sheeted maroon load hiding behind the bush. https://www.flickr.com/photos/invader1009/46229423971/in/faves-28630680@N06/ Are there open containers availible in 4mm ? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) The only open containers I know of in OO were the old Triang/Hornby ones. I have actually used a couple of these and the old Triang/Hornby Freightliner 20' container boxes to supplement the Bachmann offerings. The Triang/Hornby ones are not too bad if you 'hide' them in the middles of (i.e. between) the excellent Bachmann containers on the wagons. Edited August 15, 2019 by SRman 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Hi Folks, Does anyone happen to know what colour the Mk1 suburban brake coaches were painted ? The reason I ask is that the only pictures I can find are black and white and I can't tell with any reliability if the coaches are unlined maroon, Rail Blue or Rail Grey. I have a Bachmann Mk1 suburban brake purchased for this very purpose, it even carries a number of one of the coaches put to that very use, although I don't know whether I should repaint it or not. I have already built a Freightliner caboose and would like a coach for the variation. Gibbo. 7 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think they were just normal maroon, I've bought a Bachmann one to run with mine. I take it the were just air piped and had portable gas heating equipment in the brake 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, russ p said: I think they were just normal maroon, I've bought a Bachmann one to run with mine. I take it the were just air piped and had portable gas heating equipment in the brake On conversion they retained their existing livery, mostly maroon but the three southern region coaches were presumably green. Later many were repainted rail grey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, markw said: On conversion they retained their existing livery, mostly maroon but the three southern region coaches were presumably green. Later many were repainted rail grey. Hi Mark Do you have a date for when the Freightliner brake coaches started to be painted Rail Grey, also do you have any colour photographs ? Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2019 Really, j didn't think they lasted that long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Mark Do you have a date for when the Freightliner brake coaches started to be painted Rail Grey, also do you have any colour photographs ? Gibbo. No I don't have a date, I would guess any repainted when in freightliner use would be grey, so it would depend on when the particular coach was due a repaint. Yes I have found a few colour photos online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 13 hours ago, markw said: No I don't have a date, I would guess any repainted when in freightliner use would be grey, so it would depend on when the particular coach was due a repaint. Yes I have found a few colour photos online. Hi Mark, Would you be willing to provide links to the photographs that you have found ? Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2019 Weren't the BSs essentially condemned vehicles just used as a short fix until an agreement was made for guards to ride in the back cab? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Folks, Does anyone happen to know what colour the Mk1 suburban brake coaches were painted ? The reason I ask is that the only pictures I can find are black and white and I can't tell with any reliability if the coaches are unlined maroon, Rail Blue or Rail Grey. I have a Bachmann Mk1 suburban brake purchased for this very purpose, it even carries a number of one of the coaches put to that very use, although I don't know whether I should repaint it or not. I have already built a Freightliner caboose and would like a coach for the variation. Gibbo. The caboose looks excellent, is it scratchbuild? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, 37114 said: The caboose looks excellent, is it scratchbuild? Hi Rob, The caboose is indeed a scratch build, it is detailed on page two of the link below this post. Should anyone wish I can supply the drawing I used to build it. The modified Triang FGA / FFA wagons that it is mounted upon are on page eight. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, 37114 said: The caboose looks excellent, is it scratchbuild? The Caboose were so early that they were not fitted with twist locks and the end vehicles were built with footsteps on the wagons of which some retained them to withdrawal. Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 21 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Mark, Would you be willing to provide links to the photographs that you have found ? Gibbo. Unfortunately they are no longer online. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinsley-toton Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 One picture here. http://pdfmm.free.fr//6704.pdf Info here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, tinsley-toton said: One picture here. http://pdfmm.free.fr//6704.pdf Info here That picture with the 40, the coach doesn't appear to be a brake coach, wonder if it was some kind of test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, tinsley-toton said: One picture here. http://pdfmm.free.fr//6704.pdf Info here Hi TT, Back in the days when magazines had more written content than pictures ! Some interesting pictures and also the other type of caboose featured behind the Brush type 4. Cheers, Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 17/08/2019 at 13:21, russ p said: Weren't the BSs essentially condemned vehicles just used as a short fix until an agreement was made for guards to ride in the back cab? Not sure condemned is the right term, they would need to be in good condition for use on fast long distance freight trains and were needed quickly to replace the cabooses, so no time for repairs and overhauls. BR would not know how long it would take or even if they could reach an agreement. In the meantime they would require regular planned maintenance, and a lick of paint during maintenance for vehicles being used on the flagship freight trains doesn't seem unreasonable. I think it actually took nearly 3 years to reach an agreement. Unfortunately very few people were taking colour photos of the rear of diesel hauled freight trains in 1966-8. There is a photo in Life and Times Freightliner on page 68 which shows one that is clearly not maroon. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 hours ago, russ p said: That picture with the 40, the coach doesn't appear to be a brake coach, wonder if it was some kind of test There appears to be some yellow lettering towards the centre of the vehicle; could it be a Dynanometer Car. Were it a brake, I would expect it to be at the other end of the train. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, markw said: Not sure condemned is the right term, they would need to be in good condition for use on fast long distance freight trains and were needed quickly to replace the cabooses, so no time for repairs and overhauls. BR would not know how long it would take or even if they could reach an agreement. In the meantime they would require regular planned maintenance, and a lick of paint during maintenance for vehicles being used on the flagship freight trains doesn't seem unreasonable. I think it actually took nearly 3 years to reach an agreement. Unfortunately very few people were taking colour photos of the rear of diesel hauled freight trains in 1966-8. There is a photo in Life and Times Freightliner on page 68 which shows one that is clearly not maroon. Hi Mark, Great work there, it is along the line of what I hope to achieve with my Freightliner set. I built four ford containers but placed the oval one rib too far to the left and didn't notice until I had finished so they shall have to stay as they are. Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2019 How widespread was the use of the train mounted caboose? I remember talking to guards who had worked them on Teesside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, russ p said: How widespread was the use of the train mounted caboose? I remember talking to guards who had worked them on Teesside. Hi Russ, From what I have been able to find out the cabooses were available either from the inception in November 1965 or very shortly after that. The trial trains having been disputed by unions for running without guards and so air braked guards vans from the Southern were used as they were the only ones fitted for air in the trials. It would seem that air fitted four wheeled goods brakes were to be an interim measure until enough cabooses came on line to operate the services as planned, however, the cabooses were then also the cause of second dispute due to being very uncomfortable in terms of ride quality and temperature The passenger style brake vans replaced both cabooses and the four wheeled vans, the four wheeled vans were not really designed for 75mph running. I feel it a fair guess that the cabooses would have lasted approximately eighteen months to two years or so taking into consideration negotiations and conversion works despite not finding anything definitive. The main reason for building my caboose is that it is something out of the ordinary and its a bit of fun despite being ten years out of date for the period I model. Gibbo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The Life & Times Freightliner book quotes the first of the coach conversions as being done 6/66 at the freightliner terminals which suggests the caboose lasted just over six months. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2019 I was going to ask about Queen Mary's but gibbo has answered that question 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Hi Folks, With all this caboose and brake van talk I thought that for the interest I would post a thread I started about the prototype set of Freightliner flats that were built in 1964. They were a semi fixed rake of four wagons that were capable of carrying two twenty foot containers, not sure that there were forty foot containers in those days, from which the more recognisable FGA / FFA wagons were later derived. The models were built from Barrowmore diagrams and photographs and as such I cocked up the dimensions on two of the wagons and had to rebuild two of them, fortunately I spotted my faux-pas early enough that it wasn't too much trouble to deal with them. Gibbo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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