Fat Controller Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 When the original Freightliner containers were built, the longest were 27' long, due to restrictions on the length of articulated vehicles for carrying the 'boxes. By the end of the 1960s, the rules had changed to allow 30' boxes. 40' boxes are comparatively recent, perhaps late 1980s, coincident with the massive expansion of trade with the Far East. The development of wagons to carry these containers in the most efficient way is very recently, ironically using a platform length close to that of the original wagons. I wonder what became of the pioneers? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Freightliner test train with coach, 1965: 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Anyone modelled a single FFA wagon between two ex-Palbrick match wagons yet ?? Edited August 18, 2019 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 18:15, markw said: The Life & Times Freightliner book quotes the first of the coach conversions as being done 6/66 at the freightliner terminals which suggests the caboose lasted just over six months. All of the basic information about the coach conversions is in Longworth, Hugh (2013) B R Mark 1 and mark 2 coaching stock. Publ. OPC (Ian Allan) Herhsam Surrey ISBN 978 0 86093 650 3. page 272 and Longworth, Hugh (2019) British Railways Pre-nationalisation coaching stock. Volume 2 SR & LMS Publ. Crecy Publishing Ltd. Manchester. ISBN 978 0 86093 695 4. pages127 & 487 Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2019 22 hours ago, BR(S) said: Freightliner test train with coach, 1965: That looks like ex L & Y dynamometer car 45050. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: That looks like ex L & Y dynamometer car 45050. Mike. This is how it appeared after retirement https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsdepartmentalcoach/e75c44182 Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 21:35, BR(S) said: Freightliner test train with coach, 1965: Quite a long test train with only five freightliner containers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, paul 27 said: Quite a long test train with only five freightliner containers. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but it looks fully loaded to me? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but it looks fully loaded to me? Mike. Perhaps only five loaded containers ? In the early days, many containers carried lengths of old rail, to simulate fully-laden trains for test purposes; there is a comment in 'Life and Times- Freightliner' to this effect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but it looks fully loaded to me? Mike. I think that is referring to only five in the grey and red freightliner livery, the others are in experimental liveries with possibly some of the long Speedfreight containers as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, markw said: I think that is referring to only five in the grey and red freightliner livery, the others are in experimental liveries with possibly some of the long Speedfreight containers as well. It's the Mk1 Test train using the first built flats with only two FGA's being used as outers. The rear of the rake is loaded with the original prototype containers to different designs submitted to BR from various invited manufacturers. I have a phot of the same train taken from the mid point looking forward towards the ingine. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) On 21/08/2019 at 10:50, Porcy Mane said: It's the Mk1 Test train using the first built flats with only two FGA's being used as outers. The rear of the rake is loaded with the original prototype containers to different designs submitted to BR from various invited manufacturers. I have a phot of the same train taken from the mid point looking forward towards the ingine. P Yes I was referring to the livery that explains it, is this the very first test train is it early 65 any more pictures of this never seen this before. Edited September 1, 2019 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 21:35, BR(S) said: Freightliner test train with coach, 1965: Interesting crossover - FB with the turnout track in BH between the common xings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 23/08/2019 at 17:48, paul 27 said: can you please show your photo Apologies. I've just read this. (bank holiday weekend and all of that stuff) Sorry. Not my copyright. If it's any help, readable container numbers going towards the Freightliner liveried boxes are: Container No 30C02 003J 30C10 55J00 30C0? 05??? 05B04??? ????? On 23/08/2019 at 17:48, paul 27 said: is it the same location. No. It's Basford Hall. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) Pity would liked to have seen this, any one else have pictures to show of early Freightliners in the North West. Edited August 29, 2019 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 A bit of gratuitous 70s Freightliner/NW Hoover porn (minus the moustache). Golborne, D422 4A56 (15.36 Heysham Harbour - London York Way) 24/08/71. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Couldn't resist ordering an early set of 5. The resent British transport release The road ahead, has a nice film called Speed the payload from 1967 with a nice shot I think of Glasgow Gushetfalds and a nice run past of a full set with 2 containers per wagon. There is a noticeable gap between these 2 containers. I take it these will be 27ft ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Grey coach... https://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9278810451/in/photolist-iwyZoo-iwyDsF-eeXZ2Q-eibeE1-eeSgRT-f8Wk5x-fLiwBG-ejHkCr-eipiAy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Michael Delamar said: Grey coach... https://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9278810451/in/photolist-iwyZoo-iwyDsF-eeXZ2Q-eibeE1-eeSgRT-f8Wk5x-fLiwBG-ejHkCr-eipiAy What coach is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 It's B963921 ex D1905 BSK M5722M. Note also the 2 set of FGAs next to it. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Front of the train.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9278810369/in/dateposted/ and centre of train.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9278810301/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9278810543/in/dateposted/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) Damn silly Q - it may have already been answered but 24 pages !! When did the classic Freightliner containers give way to the newer / PO versions ? (1975 ish ??) and I'm googling other stuff - would just like to know form someone who knows. Edited May 9, 2020 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) On 09/05/2020 at 13:38, Southernman46 said: Damn silly Q - it may have already been answered but 24 pages !! When did the classic Freightliner containers give way to the newer / PO versions ? (1975 ish ??) and I'm googling other stuff - would just like to know form someone who knows. Err... there were always some privately owned containers on the freightliner trains. However this grew as there was more and more maritime traffic and less domestic. Freightliner itself had their own containers for many more years. Interesting question, I've always assumed it ended with privatisation. Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer Edited May 10, 2020 by hmrspaul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: Err... there were always some privately owned containers on the freightliner trains. However this grew as there was more and more marine traffic and less domestic. Freightliner itself had their own containers for many more years. Interesting question, I've always assumed it ended with privatisation. Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer On one of your pictures Paul, it shows the headstock with twin pipes but there is also something which looks like a jumper socket. Was this something to do with the locking system from the pre ISO system. There was a set a few years ago at Parkestone which still had some remnants of this system. I suppose there must have been batteries and dynamos involved on the original ones? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, hmrspaul said: Err... there were always some privately owned containers on the freightliner trains. However this grew as there was more and more marine traffic and less domestic. Freightliner itself had their own containers for many more years. Interesting question, I've always assumed it ended with privatisation. Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer Hi Paul, It seems to me that the original Freightliner trains mostly carried Freightliner boxes as they were the most widely available boxes at the time being provided especially for the service. In the following years the ratio of Freightliner to private owner boxes changed along with more trains being run thereby giving the impression that there were fewer Freightliner boxes in service by the 1980's. It would also tally that with the increase in private owner boxes and also the huge growth of international companies leasing boxes Freightliner would have not replaced boxes once due for renewal, the originals being built in the mid to late 1960's. In more recent times Freightliner seem to have concentrated upon running just the trains rather than leasing boxes. Perhaps someone may be able to confirm or correct me on my thoughts. Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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