RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2014 Good morning. I am interested in any facts about the above Gresley conversions. The only information I have to hand is that in Harris and a pic on Flicker; both coaches are different and yet shown from the same side (I believe), so other information would be very helpful indeed. The intention is to 'build' one in 4mm, converting a suitable Hornby donor and using (if at all possible) available sides and parts. many thanks, Phil @36E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The cafeteria car were mostly rebuilds from pre grouping stock. The prototype was converted from LNER Dia.186 TO, and the there were 6 ex-GE 54' RFs, 4 ex-GN 52'6" RFs and 2 ex GN 65', sheffield stock RCs. I have etches for the ex-GE conversions but haven't attempted the others as, as you have found information about these coaches is limited. I have etches for the ex-GN coaches, and the Dia.168, as built, so would need only a good set of photos to redraw them as cafeteria cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Check among that paucity of information about when they were converted back, Phil, as I have a feeling by then they were starting to be either withdrawn or rebuilt back to TOs and replaced by purpose built vehicles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2014 Which Cafeteria Cars are we talking about here? I took the OP to mean the vehicles described in Michael Harris's book, and depicted by a picture of S9211E, as being wartime conversions of third class sleeping cars, to provide cafeterias for ambulance trains. These ended up on the Southern as per the photo mentioned above. It sounds as though the other posters above are thinking of the earliest LNER Buffet Cars, which were converted from pre-grouping vehicles. Sorry, I don't have any info to add but just thought it might be worth getting clarification before the discussion went too far off at a tangent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It sounds as though the other posters above are thinking of the earliest LNER Buffet Cars, which were converted from pre-grouping vehicles. I was talking about the 1953 conversions to cafeteria cars, not the 1932/3 conversions to buffet cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 9, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2014 Should have made it clear that I was talking about the 1953/4 conversions from ex 'Ambulance' coaches (ex Sleeeprs themselves) and some Kitchen cars and yes the one illustrated in Harris. Thanks anyway Bill. Apologies. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2014 I was talking about the 1953 conversions to cafeteria cars, not the 1932/3 conversions to buffet cars. Sorry, didn't think of those ones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 This is a 1953 conversion http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnercoach/h7f4e78a#h7f4e78a Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2014 This is a 1953 conversion http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html Paul Thanks, but not the conversion from a Gresley to a Greslleid Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks, but not the conversion from a Gresley to a Greslleid Phil Phil Sorry, completely the wrong link. I have now corrected, although I still doubt this is what you want - but just referring to Harris (he did 3 books including Gresley coaches) is n't helpful. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2014 Phil Sorry, completely the wrong link. I have now corrected, although I still doubt this is what you want - but just referring to Harris (he did 3 books including Gresley coaches) is n't helpful. Paul Thanks Paul. Oooohhh that's an interesting beasty. Apologies about reference vagueness. OK the Ref to Harris is: Harris, Michael LNER Carriages ISBN 0-946537-98-4. Page 88 . The conversions " ......nine vehicles comprised six former 3rd Class sleeping cars to Dia 95 and three Dia 11 restaurant/kitchen firsts. The design work on these conversions was the responsibility of the Southern Region at Eastleigh Works....." My Copy is from 1994 and I think I got it from Mr Wealleans a couple of years back but I can't remember exactly. Phil P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 If you can get hold of a copy of the September 1954 Trains Illustrated magazine, there is an article by Geoffrey Freeman-Allen called Bristish Railways new Cafeteria - Restaurant Cars. Includes a photo of M9212E and a couple of interior shots of the dining saloon and the cafeteria section. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieS Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If you can get hold of a copy of the September 1954 Trains Illustrated magazine, there is an article by Geoffrey Freeman-Allen called Bristish Railways new Cafeteria - Restaurant Cars. Includes a photo of M9212E and a couple of interior shots of the dining saloon and the cafeteria section. Mark Not a personal comment but a general one. I am wondering about this. Surely the copywright has run out by now? It would be nice to share this (and other) info. I have some stuff from way back that people would like to see and this info would interest me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2014 I now have the 1954 September TI as shown above! the wonders of Ebay! It has an article on the 'new' Woodhead Tunnel. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Not a personal comment but a general one. I am wondering about this. Surely the copywright has run out by now? It would be nice to share this (and other) info. I have some stuff from way back that people would like to see and this info would interest me. Copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of the author. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 12, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2014 I am pleased to say that Mr Bedford has the etched sides for this job ; star man. Watch this space (but don't hold yer breath) as you may know how slow I am to do anything. However, with Mr Wright cracking the whip and Mr Barnatt wielding the rule I should get something done!! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 17, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2014 Very nice set of etched sides arrived from Bill today. Thanks mate. Just the ticket for a S9211E or S9213E. Pics to follow sometime soon. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 21, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2014 Here is a not very good shot of the very nice Bill Bedford etches that will be the starting point for this conversion. I have no plans to start any of this until the weather cools down somewhat. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 9, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 9, 2015 I realise that I have not placed anything on here since July 2014. That is awful. I had actually got the coach, with TW's initial assistance, to what I considered a very reasonable top coat painting stage some weeks ago and having chosen a Carplan No 15 Green this week, decided to do that on Thursday to distract me from activities nationwide! Well that went well until I started using the green! I had practised on an old Hornby Dublo coach and the finish looked good. I then decided to mask off the inside of this coach by blanking the windows as the interior needs 'good painting' as it will be seen. (Restaurant area walls e.g. are lime green! I used masking tape as I have done with other coaches, using Halfords paint and that has worked well. This time all seemed fine, with what looked like a good finish, however as I turned the hairdryer onto the second side to 'bake the finish' a blob of 'pooled' paint overflowed out of one of the window voids. Huge amount of swearing and I couldn't rescue the job. After a bit of faffing I made the decision to strip the thing back and ended up doing the whole body and roof! It is now cleaned up and ready for another coating of primer. I shall do that when the weather brightens up and I've regained my sense of humour! I shall try to remember to post some info this time. Apologies. It will be in the Modifying and Detailing RTR thread. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 25, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2015 Found this on the Marc Models site .....pah! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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