JaymzHatstand Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Like the rest of MR subscribers, my copy arrived yesterday, and was waiting for me when I came downstairs. A quick flick through the ads pages and I found the gen I wanted! I'll be in the line to order one on Tuesday without a doubt (whatever it may be!) I wonder if there will be a donation to a return to traffic of whatever the particular item might be, as it would be great to see it out and about, with some appropriate accompanying stock! Also I wonder if, like the GWR city, it will find it's way into the main range? That's assuming of course that is from more than a class of one and carried more than one livery! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It's definitely not a Pacific and that's all I'm saying Well that's my Flying Scotsman theory out of the window... My DJH one is safe for another few years then..:-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 well if its limited edition at least subscribers who now have the gen still have to stand in line with everyone else to actually order one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 well if its limited edition at least subscribers who now have the gen still have to stand in line with everyone else to actually order one. he he ha ha ho ho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It's got wheels and it is painted. It is also a working model. What wiles did you want to know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2014 Well it might be a bit of fun , but frankly I just find it annoying that some people are in the know and others aren't. Once more, as in Christmas past, it seems it's Model Rail that's circulating the news. Credit to the folk that are honourable not to spill the beans,I don't dispute their integrity , it's just annoying we are in this position again. But hey it's only model railways. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) To be fair to MR it is in the form of an advert and there's a good chance the editorial team don't review all the ads, possibly even handled by a different department who may know little amount model railways. It's also not that prominent - passed me by until I read on here and went looking for. The NRM shop placed the advert and its content. It's therefore their responsibility and they should be well aware of any variations in print and publication dates which can affect deliveries of printed media to retailers and subscribers. If they had any concerns about breaking their own embargo then they should have discussed it with MR and arranged - if practical - that it didn't happen, or pulled the advert content until the next edition. Ps- I guessed right as to what it is. Does this mean I can complain it don't fit in with the era/location/company etc etc that I model? Or do I just take the froth as the fun it's supposed to be? I don't see why that this new product doesn't fit in with your preferences should stop you from complaining. As for thinking that froth is fun, I think that you may be in danger of having a flippant and excessively light hearted attitude towards your modelling. (insert ironic smiley here!) Edited July 26, 2014 by LNWRmodeller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Well it might be a bit of fun , but frankly I just find it annoying that some people are in the know and others aren't. Once more, as in Christmas past, it seems it's Model Rail that's circulating the news. Credit to the folk that are honourable not to spill the beans,I don't dispute their integrity , it's just annoying we are in this position again. But hey it's only model railways. It is NOT Model Rail that is 'circulating the news'. The information is actually in Locomotion's own advert in Model Rail. There is no NEWS or editorial information about it in the magazine and we have been careful not to 'circulate' any information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 The only thing you need to watch with the train is that the service over the branch from Darlington to Shildon only runs at 2 hourly intervals so it's best to check connecting services from York which won't dump you on the station at Darlo for an extended stay. York is far better hotel wise than central Darlington appears to be with some excellent places to eat and lots to see and do (hence I shall be staying there, instead of in Darlington, on Monday night enroute to Shildon). But if you are hiring a car you need to check out very carefully the car parking situation at hotels in York as many have limited, or no, parking on site - you also need to book well in advance. Yes, when I went up for the APT-E launch, I though I would be clever and catch an earlier East Coast train. All that I achieved was a longer wait at Darlington! Believe me, an hour and a half on Darlington station teaches you a thing or two about boredom! CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 To be fair to MR it is in the form of an advert and there's a good chance the editorial team don't review all the ads, possibly even handled by a different department who may know little amount model railways. It's also not that prominent - passed me by until I read on here and went looking for. We don't see ANY advertisement pages before the magazine goes to press - we have enough work dealing with the editorial pages! The Locomotion ad was pointed out to us by a subscriber who received his copy early. No one in the advertisement department would have recognised that there might be a problem as the advertisement does not carry the launch date. CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2014 This just makes me laugh, the news is out in the big wide model railway world. Yet no can say what it is on here. Never mind I will have to wait until Monday evening when a fellow club member brings down his subscription copy of MR for the rest of us to have a butchers at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) I am not getting as the principal of embargoes and of course it's all great publicity for NRM/Locomotion, but 6 pages of head in sand about the official announcement of a flippin toy loco makes even the Commonwealth Games look mildly exciting.............By the time is is announced, will the rest of us be too late 'cos its sold out? Edited July 26, 2014 by coachmann 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2014 The NRM shop placed the advert and its content. It's therefore their responsibility and they should be well aware of any variations in print and publication dates which can affect deliveries of printed media to retailers and subscribers. If they had any concerns about breaking their own embargo then they should have discussed it with MR and arranged - if practical - that it didn't happen, or pulled the advert content until the next edition. Exactly so - and Chris (Dibber) has more than carefully explained the 'Model Rail advertising situation (twice I think). No doubt if Locomotion did ask the advertisement department they would have been told the mag has a publication date of 31 July and would have taken that as ok because it happens to be after the 29th (I am assuming). Those of us who are 'Model Rail' subscribers know it is usual for us to receive the mag in advance of the formal publication date, if you aren't a subscriber you're hardly likely to be aware of that. And as Dibber has said there isn't a single editorial hint about what the forthcoming NRM loco might, or might not, be. It's all 'just one of those things'; it has happened, the clock can't be wound back, the mags can't be recalled, and all those who do know should do is play fair by Locomotion for their official launch of the model - and keep their mouths shut (for a few days, why is that so difficult?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) I doubt I am alone when I raise a smirk at some of comments which appear to tell us the "bleedin obvious". honestly one or two commentators must have swallowed not only the book but the entire volume on telling us "this is how it is"....erm, and always after others have said their bit and laid their stall out which does make it easier pickings i guess for those not comfortable with wearing their heart on their sleeves. its as if the rest of us are expected to almost feel chastened.....you gotta laff...... Edited July 26, 2014 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 "juicy" detail? apples are juicy. something in apple green? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I think those organisations that are providing copy or advertising to a specific time need to be aware that with Model Rail it is not just subscribers copies that appear well before publication date, as has been covered in this thread, it is also some retail outlet copies. In my part of the world, model shops in 2 towns that I frequent, receive their copies at roughly the same time as subscribers. This edition (Summer 2014) was received by the shop I order mine from on the 24th, a week before the official publication date, which is normal for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I think I will just wait for the GBL version to be produced. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Once again, this has got to 'silly stage'. Mistakes have obviously been made, some people know. others don't, me included! This does annoy me! If anyone that does know can pm me quietly, then thank you, .....a==holes, please don't bother! Annoyed in Perth WA by supercilious t==ts prolonging this thread...! Peter C. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2014 Once again, this has got to 'silly stage'. Mistakes have obviously been made, some people know. others don't, me included! This does annoy me! If anyone that does know can pm me quietly, then thank you, .....a==holes, please don't bother! Annoyed in Perth WA by supercilious t==ts prolonging this thread...! Peter C. I don't know, either. As far as I am aware, I am unlikely to die in a ditch before the official date - at least not as a direct result of being in the dark on this. And the model may not be ordered, we are told, until the official wraps are off, so ignorance is no handicap just yet. As storms in teacups go, this one is impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Hi All, Well this is exciting - I never thought they would do Shannon!* http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/locos/5/5.html Cue Wantage Tramway layouts! I'll get my coat... All the best, Castle *Just kidding although it IS an NRM machine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I think this is all being taken far too seriously. Some people are taking it like they are personally being slighted. It was an honest mistake so can't we just leave it at that? Think about it. How many locomotives are there in the National Collection? Excluding Scottish prototypes as they are separately owned. Now how many are realistically potential models that would sell to both modellers and collectors alike? How many would realistically buy a NER 2-4-0 for example? Pretty loco, but I can't see it being a big seller. Likewise Gazelle, Columbine, Hetton Colliery engine, etc. Deduct all prototypes that have already been produced and there isn't a great deal to chose from in the Collection. Probably about twenty or so. If Bachmann, Hornby, Dapol, DJM, Heljan, Rapido, etc. keep producing models at the rate they have been over the last few years that list will soon disappear. If your chosen prototype isn't this one, better luck next time. But if people start moaning about things then they might not bother. Regards Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) In any case , having been disappointed in Bachmanns announcements last week, I think we are all holding out for something special. I had previously thought Atlantic, I've heard class 87 mentioned and SE&CR D class. All would be quite spectacular .Got a feeling we are going to be disappointed again! I must add I'm in the half that don't know so it's just supposition. DJ Daves were the most significant and exciting announcements . I suspect it will stay that way Edited July 26, 2014 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Well that's my Flying Scotsman theory out of the window... My DJH one is safe for another few years then..:-) To be authentic the NRM can't do a Flying Scotsman RTR but only as a kit of mis-fitting parts that will cost too much and has no deadline for finishing Hat and coat on lol Edited July 26, 2014 by 25901 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) This just makes me laugh, the news is out in the big wide model railway world. Yet no can say what it is on here. Never mind I will have to wait until Monday evening when a fellow club member brings down his subscription copy of MR for the rest of us to have a butchers at. I thnk your original arrow may have found a worthy target..... That would make it a golden arrow Only a few days to wait though. Edited July 26, 2014 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Yes, when I went up for the APT-E launch, I though I would be clever and catch an earlier East Coast train. All that I achieved was a longer wait at Darlington! Believe me, an hour and a half on Darlington station teaches you a thing or two about boredom! CHRIS LEIGH Rubbish. You can look around and see that theres one gorgeous and well built railway station that your standing in. A station with its design where even the roof and pillars were all standardised and able to be used elsewhere like Huil. Theres also the complexity of modern train movements on a main station with branch line feeding services. The way in which trains arrive and are stabled, have to be pathed in between mainline services. The place where freight is pulled out of the way on the main loops and the areas which show that there are also other movements. If nothing is running then theres sometimes peace and quiet but it doesnt last too long, especially on a day where the weather is good. Theres a decent coffee now with Costa there too. Yes you need to watch for the connection to Shildon which should be hourly, but Id rather spend hours at Darlington than many other places on the network. If anyone is curious, you can see why here; http://www.blackhatrailwaypictures.co.uk/f355976534 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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