Mark Saunders Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Does anyone know how many of these 30 ton Tipplers were built and if any other photographs of them exist? Mark Saunders Edited April 24, 2017 by Mark Saunders 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Hi Mark, Stumbled across this thread while researching the same wagons which there are several images in Eric Tonks "Corby" book in the ironstone quarry series. Admittedly they are not very high quality images, but they do show them in use right up until closure behind Class 14's. I also found this shot on Flicker - (http://www.flickr.com/photos/114813237@N06/12032857963) also attached below showing the wagons from a rather unusual view point. Other than that, this is all I have found at the moment. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 There are numerous pics of these published in various books over the years. I think, but not certain, that there were two variants. They were used extensively on the quarry system connected directly to the Corby plant - Priors Hall, Harringworth/ Shotley/ Wakerley, Great Oakley and Cowthick in the later years but would have been around when numerous other small pits were being dug closer to the works. I dont think any of these survived after about 1983. Once quarrying had ceased in 19 were used to move scrap around the plant when it was being broken up but would eventually have succumbed to the cutters torch as the rest of the plant disappeared. I can't say how many were built but they were numerous and I guess anyone who knows of any of the build records of Charles Roberts may be able to shed some light on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Opps, here is the photo (from the site). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Interesting photo James, nice shot of the interior which helps to clarify the angles of the body plating, and it seems that the wagons are devoid of the ladder shown in Mark's photo. I can imagine that they were a bit prone to damage. I wonder if they were just removed or whether later batches never had then at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It is an interesting design - its almost as if it was designed as a hopper, but they decided to weld the bottom up. The body and the hopper like lower portions seem a little wasted on a tippler design? Unless it is to help the sides protrude beyond (and below) the solebars in an effort to gain the volume to increase the tonnes (tons). Looks like a 12ft wheelbase? 10" solebars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It is an interesting design - its almost as if it was designed as a hopper, but they decided to weld the bottom up. The body and the hopper like lower portions seem a little wasted on a tippler design? Unless it is to help the sides protrude beyond (and below) the solebars in an effort to gain the volume to increase the tonnes (tons). Looks like a 12ft wheelbase? 10" solebars? I think the design of the bottom of the sides and ends is an attempt to stop material building up in the corners and causing corrosion of the lower sides; SNCF have a similar feature on many of their bogie scrap wagons:- http://www.photos-ferroviaires.fr/index.php?/category/441 This was also tried, though less obviously, on some of the rebuilt 16t minerals, where the bottom of the side was rounded, and so didn't form a right-angled joint with the floor. Given the size of the chunks of ironstone that would have been dropped in these wagons, hopper unloading wouldn't have been very practicable- the bottom doors would have been wedged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm sure that Brian's right, there was a trend, post war, to use tipplers for home ores which were often wet, sticky and, when loaded direct at the ore face, in large lumps. Not particularly free flowing. On the other hand, imported ores, which had often been treated prior to transport to remove valueless waste, were usually dry and crushed. The major new flows of imports post war used hoppers, Tyne Dock-Consett, Bidston-Shotton and General Terminus-Clyde Iron/Ravenscraig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think the design of the bottom of the sides and ends is an attempt to stop material building up in the corners and causing corrosion of the lower sides; SNCF have a similar feature on many of their bogie scrap wagons:- http://www.photos-ferroviaires.fr/index.php?/category/441 This was also tried, though less obviously, on some of the rebuilt 16t minerals, where the bottom of the side was rounded, and so didn't form a right-angled joint with the floor. Given the size of the chunks of ironstone that would have been dropped in these wagons, hopper unloading wouldn't have been very practicable- the bottom doors would have been wedged. Thanks for that info - good point(s)! You don't have to watch the video of a RB110 loading chalk tipplers at the former Barrington Quarry to realise the battering the wagons would have taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Interesting photo James, nice shot of the interior which helps to clarify the angles of the body plating, and it seems that the wagons are devoid of the ladder shown in Mark's photo. I can imagine that they were a bit prone to damage. I wonder if they were just removed or whether later batches never had then at all? i can't remember seeing any with ladders but most if not all had bars welded horizontally between the vertical ribs to act as rungs and allow the quarrymen access to judge the loading of the wagons. Most of the face shovels used to load them wouldn't have allowed a view of the interior to see how much was in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 There are numerous pics of these published in various books over the years. I think, but not certain, that there were two variants. They were used extensively on the quarry system connected directly to the Corby plant - Priors Hall, Harringworth/ Shotley/ Wakerley, Great Oakley and Cowthick in the later years but would have been around when numerous other small pits were being dug closer to the works. I dont think any of these survived after about 1983. Once quarrying had ceased in 19 were used to move scrap around the plant when it was being broken up but would eventually have succumbed to the cutters torch as the rest of the plant disappeared. I can't say how many were built but they were numerous and I guess anyone who knows of any of the build records of Charles Roberts may be able to shed some light on it. I am told the post war Chas Roberts records survive but I can't find anyone who has them! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I am told the post war Chas Roberts records survive but I can't find anyone who has them! Mark Saunders Which Archives have you looked at, Mark? They might be under Wakefield, or possibly (West?) Yorkshire Metropolitan District. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Which Archives have you looked at, Mark? They might be under Wakefield, or possibly (West?) Yorkshire Metropolitan District. Brian I keep going in circles as every lead takes me back to the prewar ones at the NRM! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Hey Mark, Had any luck tracking down the records? And/or plans? Do did any make it into preservation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Hey Mark, Had any luck tracking down the records? And/or plans? Do did any make it into preservation? Alas no joy on the 31t internal user, but I am hopeful that something can be found or done! Also the day job keeps getting in the way! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Is there anything at the Rutand Railway Museum ( Rocks by Rail, now) ? Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Her's a pic showing alternative location of ladder: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Hang on a mo - there is another difference. Note there is no raised section on the top rails at the ends of the body. This could be another build maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Hang on a mo - there is another difference. Note there is no raised section on the top rails at the ends of the body. This could be another build maybe? Looks like more variation, 687 in the photo has the body to the end of the Headstock and 635 has a gap between the end of the body and headstock! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Good close up of body side with plating variation here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Colour-slide-S-L-RSHN-0-6-0ST-banking-at-Corby-Sold-with-copyright-/171741187171?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fc928c63 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 3, 2015 Author Share Posted April 3, 2015 Good close up of body side with plating variation here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Colour-slide-S-L-RSHN-0-6-0ST-banking-at-Corby-Sold-with-copyright-/171741187171?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fc928c63 The one on Ebay is of one of the 20 ton versions but still a nice shot, same design was supplied to Lancashire Steel at Irlam! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) I didn't realsie they made two types! Do you know much about these? Same height, same wheelbase, or different in both respects. Now I am confused, I had thought that these were 31t wagons, now I'm not so sure. Is it the ladder position and type that differentiates the two? In these examples its a couple of rods welded between the stanchions, whereas the larger capacity has a seperate ladder (in a variety of places). Original images from Phantasrail website (Google; Corby, Ironstone, Phantasrail). Edited April 4, 2015 by Down_Under 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) I'm at the back of the same class as you, D-U! Certainly seem to be some variations between the 20 and 30(31T?) wagons. Those images you just put up might be slightly lower sided, have fewer vertical body stanchions than the 31T, and no tie bar between axle guards. The lower body plating is different to 31T, having taller vertical section before the return with line of heavy bolts. The photo of the derailment shows a 20T wagon at the front but those at the rear seem to be the larger wagons so rakes were mixed? Interesting that some of the larger wagons have no end top channels - I would think these were intended as a replaceable wear beam to absorb damage from the tipper mechanism (I.e. they support the weight of wagons whilst being rotated). Maybe some were removed due to damage? Tony Edited April 4, 2015 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I think this might give the reason for the end beams: they bring the height of the ends of the 20T wagons up to the same as the BR tipplers to facilitate tippler mechanism settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 It would appear that these had the bar on the ends from new as is shown in this Chas Roberts official, these were produced from other works too! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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