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Hi Paul,

 

Did you decide on the builder for these wagons - I can't remember and it's not on here?

 

Also - which wagon numbers apply to your model?

 

Thanks

 

ps - wagon still looking good!

 

If these are the ex UK ones then run as Granit in Europe - check this link.

 

http://www.wagons-europe.fr/gallery304/index.php/87-france/933-granit-services?page=1

Hi Phil

 

The builder was Fauvet-Girel in 1974

 

It's this type here

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/belgianpolybulk

 

Number range 21-88-0998-000, 007, 010, 011, 015-019, 021, 022, 025, 029, 030, 033-057, 066-080 & 100-110

 

Thanks for the link but it's the original Polybulk grey and green livery I am trying to do.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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If it was a curvey one then the answer would definitely be grey - not sure about the slab side.

 

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Hi

 

I would guess that the top is grey as it is on the rounded types.

The green in the photo wraps around to the raised part of the roof and I have currently painted the green upto this point leaving the centre section with the hatches grey but it looks odd.

 

If it was a curvey one then the answer would definitely be grey - not sure about the slab side.

 

jon

It's the slab sided one I'm painting.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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Hi

 

Current state of the wagon. I am now working on getting the transfers sorted for it from Railtec.

 

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Cheers

 

Paul

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One of the features of pre-group and pre-nationalisation modelling is the plethora of history books on locos, coaches and wagons which include informative text, photos, diagrams and scale drawings.

 

The contrast with the post 1948 is really stark. There are history books (not simply pictorial books) on the BR standard locos and coaches but next to nothing on the wagons and absolutely nothing, nothing at all, post de-nationalisation.

 

This a great shame in my view as the last 20 years has seen a massive change in rolling stock and it must inhibit those who don't want to rely on the RTR manufacturers in their modelling.

 

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One of the features of pre-group and pre-nationalisation modelling is the plethora of history books on locos, coaches and wagons which include informative text, photos, diagrams and scale drawings.

 

The contrast with the post 1948 is really stark. There are history books (not simply pictorial books) on the BR standard locos and coaches but next to nothing on the wagons and absolutely nothing, nothing at all, post de-nationalisation.

 

This a great shame in my view as the last 20 years has seen a massive change in rolling stock and it must inhibit those who don't want to rely on the RTR manufacturers in their modelling.

 

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This is not really true. The main wagon books about pre nat companies all have post Nat inclusion. The following all have a substantial amount about post 1948 wagons and NPCCS

 

A very rough, incomplete list of books about wagons and rolling stock during the post 1948 period by Paul Bartlett

Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. ISBN 0-86093-203-6

Beddoes, Keith; Wheeler, Colin & Wheeler, Stephen (1999) Metro-Cammell 150 years of craftsmanship. Publ. Runpast Publications 112 pages. ISBN 1 80754 46 8.

Butcher, R. (1992) British Rail internal users.  SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 09-1. 96 pages.

Butcher, Roger (1995) On-track plant on British Railways 5th edition SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 14-8. 96 pages.

Butlin, Ashley (2015) Mk1 Non-Passenger Carrying coaching stock. Coorlea Publishing, Hawick, Scottish Borders, 52pp

Collins, Michael J (1991) Freightliner (Life & Times series) pub Foulis-OPC 128 pages, ISBN 0-88093-455-1

Coppin, Alan (1999) Oil on the Rails. Publ. Historical Model Railway Society. 162pp ISBN 0 902 835 17 3.

Dickenson, J. & Dickenson C (1990) Private owner wagon fleet.  SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 05-9. 192 pages.

Dickenson, J. & Ifold, P (1994) Air braked series Wagon fleet no’s 100000 – 990049 (second edition) SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 13 X. 112 pages.

Dickenson, J. & Ifold, P (1994) Engineers series Wagon fleet no’s DB970000 - 999900 (second edition) SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 12 1. 80 pages.

Dickenson, J. (1994) British Rail wagon fleet British Railways “B” – prefixed series freight stock B125611 – B955247. SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 11 3. 112 pages.

Dickenson, John & Mott Stewart (1990) R.I.V. Wagon fleet SCT Publishing, Hampshire, England. ISBN 1 872768 07 5. 96 pages.

Essery, R.J. Rowland, D.P. & Steel, W.O. (1970) British Goods Wagons from 1887 to the present day. Publ Augustus M Kelley, New York 1970 pp144.

Gamble, G (1996) compiled British Railway Wagons – Opens & Hoppers Railways in Profile Series no. 1 Cheona Publications (ISBN 1-900298-01-5)

Gamble, G (1998) compiled British Railway Wagons – Cattle & Brake Vans Railways in Profile Series no. 5 Cheona Publications (ISBN 1-900298-05-8)

Gamble, G (1998) compiled British Railway Non-passenger rolling stock Railways in Profile Series no. 6 Cheona Publications (ISBN 1900298-06-6)

Gamble, G (1999) compiled British Railway Private Owner Wagons Opens and Hoppers Railways in Profile Series no. 9 Cheona Publications (ISBN 1900298-11-2)

Gent E (1999) British Railways Brake vans and ballast ploughs. Pub. By HMRS 92pp. ISBN 0 – 902835 – 16 –5.

Gould, David (1992) Southern Railway Passenger vans, Oakwood Press Series X50 (ISBN 085361 4288)

Grant, Brian & Taylor, Bill (2003) British Railway Wagons Their loads and loading. Publ Silver Link Publishing Ltd, Kettering, Northants. ISBN 1 85794 205 1.

Grant, Brian & Taylor, Bill (2007) British Railway Wagons Their loads and loading. Volume 2. Publ Silver Link Publishing Ltd, Kettering, Northants. ISBN 978 1 85794 300 9.

Hayes, John (1999) The 4mm coal wagon A step by step guide. Wild Swan Publications Ltd 154 Pages. ISBN 1 874103 48 8.

Johnson, Rob (2003) Modelling aspects of the coal industry. Book Law Publications. 96 pages.  ISBN 1 899624 43 0

Johnson, Rob (2006) Modelling further aspects of the coal industry. Book Law Publications. 96 pages.  ISBN 1 899624 93 7

Kent, Geoff (1991) The 4mm wagon, Part 1 opens, minerals & hoppers. Wild Swan Publications Ltd. 86 pp. ISBN 1 874103 03 8.

Kent, Geoff (1995) The 4mm wagon, Part 2 general merchandise vans, special purchase vans and tank wagons. 162+vi pp. Wild Swan Publications Ltd. ISBN 1 874103 24 0.

Kent, Geoff (2004) The 4mm wagon, Part 3 Conflats & containers, wagons for long loads & steel, brake vans and finishing touches. 154 + vi pp. Wild Swan Publications Ltd. ISBN 1 874103 97 6.

Kidner, R. W. (1993) Service stock of the Southern Railway X51. 128pp. Oakwood Press ISBN 0 85361 429 6.

King, Mike (2008) Southern wagons pictorial. Oxford Publishing Co. Ian Allan Publishing Ltd, Hersham, Surrey ISBN 978 0 86093 597 1. 192 pages.

King, Mike (2014) Southern wagons in colour. Noodle Books, Southampton ISBN 978 1 909328-19-8. 112 pages.

King, Mike (2015) Southern vans and coaches in colour. Noodle Books, Southampton ISBN 978 1 909328-31-0. 124 pages.

Larkin, David (1975) BR Standard freight wagons A pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 240 3, 64 pages

Larkin, David (1976) Private owner freight wagons on British Railways Pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 294 2, 64 pages

Larkin, David (1978) BR General parcels rolling stock Pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 320 5, 64 pages

Larkin, David (1998) Working wagons. A pictorial review of freight stock on the B. R. system. Volume 1. 1968 - 1973. Pub by Santona, Hull. ISBN 0 9507960 6 9. 96pp.

Larkin, David (1999) Working wagons.  A pictorial review of freight stock on the B. R. system. Volume 2. 1974 - 1979. Pub by Santona, Hull. ISBN 0 9507960 7 7. 96pp.

Larkin, David (2001) Working wagons.  A pictorial review of freight stock on the B. R. system. Volume 3. 1980 - 1984. Pub by Santona, Hull. ISBN 0 9538448 2 X. 96pp.

Larkin, David (2002) Working wagons.  A pictorial review of freight stock on the B. R. system. Volume 4. 1985 - 1992. Pub by Santona, Hull. ISBN 0 9538448 4 6. 96pp.

Larkin, David (2006) Wagons of the early British Railways Era. A pictorial study of the 1948 – 1954 period. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 0 9544859-8- viii+88pp.

Larkin, David (2007) Wagons of the middle British Railways Era. A pictorial study of the 1955 - 1961 period. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 0 905505-06-7 viii+88pp

Larkin, David (2008) Wagons of the final British Railways Era. A pictorial study of the 1962 - 1968 period. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 0 905505-08-1 viii+88pp

Larkin, David (2009) Wagons of the early British Rail Era. A pictorial study of the 1969 - 1982 period. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 0 905505-10-4 viii+88pp

Larkin, David (2010) Wagons of the final British Rail Era. A pictorial study of the 1983 - 1995 period. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 0 905505-17-3 08-1 vi+90pp

Larkin, David (2011) Civil Engineers wagons Volume 1 British Railways: 1948- 1967. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 1 905505-23-4 vi+90pp

Larkin, David (2012) Civil Engineers wagons Volume 2 Early British Rail: 1968- 1977. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 1 905505-24-1 vi+90pp

Larkin, David (2014) BR Parcels and Passenger-rated stock Volume 1: Full brakes, parcels and miscellaneous vans & Car-carrying vehicles. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 1 905505-33-3 vi+92pp

Larkin, David (2015) BR Parcels and Passenger-rated stock Volume 2: Horse boxes, Special cattle vans, and vehicles for fish, fruit and milk traffic. Pub by Kestrel Railway books. ISBN 978 1 905505-34-0 vi+90pp

Lewis, J.H., Lloyd, M.E.M., Metcalf, R.C. & Miller, N.R. (1980) All about GWR Iron Minks. Publ Historical Model Railway Society, 56 pages

Mann, Trev (2013) British Railways unfitted and vacuum-braked wagons. Ian Allan Publishing Ltd, Hersham, Surrey. 96pp. ISBN 978 0 7110 3636 9.

Marsden Colin, J. 1989 25 years of railway research. Oxford Publishing Co. Oxford, SBN 86093 441 1. 112 Pages.

Marshall A (1989) Private Owner wagons Volume 1 TOPS types PAA- PHA & PJA - PXX 1st edition pub by Metro Enterprises Ltd, Baildon, Shipley ISBN 0-947773-13-4. 96 pages

Marshall A (1990) International ferry wagons 1st edition pub by Metro Enterprises Ltd, , Baildon, Shipley ISBN 0-947773-20-7. 144 pages

Marshall A (1990) Private Owner wagons Volume 2 Tank wagons pub by Metro Enterprises Ltd, , Baildon, Shipley ISBN 0-947773-16-9. 144 pages

Marshall A (1992) Private Owner wagons Volume 1 TOPS types JAA-KXX & PAA- PXX 2nd edition pub by Metro Enterprises Ltd, Batley, W. Yorkshire ISBN 0-947773-22-3. 96 pages

Monk-Steel, David (2005) Industrial wagons: An introduction. Publ by Industrial Railway Society, 100 pages ISBN  1 901556 33 6.

Monk-Steel, David (2011) Merry-go-round on the rails. HMRS publishing, Butterley Station, Derbys. 196 pages ISBN 978-0-902835-30-6.

Pope, Ian (2009) Private owner wagons of Bristol and District. Lightmoor Press, Witney, Oxfordshire, 128 pages, ISBN 978 1899889 36 5.

Ratcliffe, David., (1989) Modern Private Owner Wagons on British Rail pub by PSL. 168pp. ISBN 1 85260 062 – 4

Ratcliffe, David., (2009) International Train-ferry wagons in colour for the modeller and historian pub by Ian Allan 96pp. ISBN 978 0 7110 3404 4

Ratcliffe, David., (2009) Private Owner Wagons in colour for the modeller and historian pub by Ian Allan 96pp. ISBN 978 0 7110 3365 8

Ratcliffe, David., (2012) Freight train formations. Publ Ian Allan 96pp. ISBN 978 0 7110 3447 1.

Rhodes, Michael (1988) An Illustrated history of British Marshalling Yards. Pub by Haynes Publishing Group, Sparkford, 247pp. ISBN 0 86093 367 9.

Rowland, D (1985) British Railways Wagons, the first half million. Pub. by David & Charles. 192pp.

Russel, J. H. (1974) Great Western Wagon appendix. Oxford Publishing Co. Oxford, SBN 0 902888 03 X

Russel, J. H. (1981) Freight wagons and loads in service on the Great Western Railway and British Rail, Western Region. Oxford Publishing Co. Oxford, SBN 86093 155 2

Sambrook, Chris (2007) British Carriage and Wagon builders & repairers 1830 – 2006. Lightmoor Press, Witney, Oxfordshire, 200 pages, ISBN 13: 9781899889273.

Slinn J N & Clarke B K (1987) GWR Siphons pub. by HMRS 122 pages.  ISBN 0 902835 10 6

Tandy, David W. (2009) Standard Railway Wagon Co. Heywood Works. Ty Mawr Publications ISBN 09552354-2-1. 128 pages

Tatlow, Peter (2000) Historic Carriage drawings Volume three: Non-passenger coaching stock. Publ. Pendragon Partnership, York, UK. ISBN 1 899816 09 7 128 pages.

Tatlow, Peter (2012) Railway Breakdown Cranes: Volume 1 The Story of Steam Breakdown Cranes on the Railways of Britain. Publ. Noodle Books by Kevin Robertson ISBN 13: 9781906419691. 256 pages.

Tatlow, Peter (2013) Railway Breakdown Cranes: Volume 2 The Story of Breakdown Cranes on the Railways of Britain. Publ. Noodle Books by Kevin Robertson ISBN 13: 978190641997-4. 296 pages.

Tourret R. (1980) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 0-905878-02-7

Tourret, R. (2001) British railways private owner tank wagons; Railways in profile series no. 14. Cheona Publishing 64pp. ISBN 1 900298 17 1

Tourret R. (2009) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. 2nd edition 304pp. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 978 0 905878 09 6

Williamson, Claire & Williamson, David (2014) Railway Snowploughs in the North East. Pub NERA, 88 pages. ISBN 978 1 873513 88 0.

 

However there is increasing reluctance to pay for books (although they are  cheaper now than in the 1980s, and that is without the discounting so easily found). As Chris Leigh mentioned last month there is little interest in drawings, and no one willing to pay anything like a decent rate to pay for the time taken in their preparation. 

 

Paul Bartlett

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Clearly you spent a great deal of time compiling the list but many of the books are photo albums which tends to illustrate the point I was making as does your remark concerning drawings.

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Clearly you spent a great deal of time compiling the list but many of the books are photo albums which tends to illustrate the point I was making as does your remark concerning drawings.

The group I was/am involved with have published going on for 200 drawings, although part of this number is a specialist book on industrial internals. There are few drawings of GWR or LMS wagons available either - the books use diagrams, and almost all BR era diagrams are available on the internet via Barrowmore.

 

Paul

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Mine, no, but Red Death of this parish spent today at St Albans working on his 2mm version.

 

Jon

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Hi

 

Sorry to awaken an old thread but thought I ought to show the finished article here rather than start a new thread.

 

Thanks to Steve @railtec-models for the transfers I have been able to finish my n gauge version of this wagon.

 

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Cheers

 

Paul

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That's a very nice bit of work, Paul. I wonder if Railtec will offer the transfers in 4mm, as I've an Electrotren-based one that could do with 'refreshing'?

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The 2mm version looks great. I hope nobody minds me adding some details on a 7mm version I've made.  I had seen this thread and was looking to make a 7mm version but struggled to find any useful drawing.   After seeing the transfers available on the Railtec website I asked for them to be scaled up to 7mm and set about drawing a 7mm version.  I printed the body on my printer in PLA, with Shapeways printed bogies and Form 2 resin printed detail parts.  I painted the wagon using Halfords Ford Laurel green.

 

46774831555_048ed44ea2_o.pngE443 Polybulk render by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

40724375083_6c7926f8f1_k.jpgE443 Polybulk test print by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

33813308568_babeb93193_k.jpgE443 Polybulk 7mm primer by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

47637751912_62396df2f2_k.jpgE443 Polybulk wagon 7mm by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

47690753541_fb2e892473_k.jpgE443 Polybulk wagon 7mm by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

33813313338_c7723bfcbf_k.jpgE443 Polybulk wagon 7mm by simon br blue, on Flickr

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That's very impressive! Could it be scaled down to a 4mm version at all? A grain Polybulk or two would fit right in with my requirements.

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Awesome. I have immense respect for anyone who can acheive results like that using their own cad work and 3d printer.

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I've continued with the various Polybulk wagons and below is an update on progress (copied from my 3D printing thread but hopefully OK to post here as well).

 

I rescaled and printed a 4mm version of the E443 slab-sided Polybulk, the body is grey PLA and printed in 2 parts on the Balco printer, the details are grey resin printed on the Form 2.  The bogies are Shapeways Multi Jet Fusion Y25 bogies.

 

48174240001_4d76b164fe_k.jpg4mm E443 Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

48174314517_166ce14475_k.jpg4mm E443 Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

The other 4mm Polybulk that's nearly finished is the Malt Distillers version.  Balco PLA 2 part body, Form 2 grey resin details, Shapeways WSF Y25 bogies. Etched ferry loops and brake wheels from 51L/wizard models.

 

48174241711_292589d71b_k.jpg4mm Malt Distillers Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

48174238136_ba7094b2b8_k.jpg4mm Polybulks by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Moving up in scale the 7mm Grainflow Polybulk is nearly finished.  Similar to the first Polybulk its made with a Balco PLA 3 part body, Shapeways WSF Details and Y25 bogies.

 

48174243506_4c2de2e1df_k.jpg7mm Grainflow Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

48174306032_b7035f1f11_k.jpg7mm Grainflow Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

48174308372_827e52ede5_k.jpg7mm Grainflow Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

Finally for tonight is the 1/32 Grainflow polybulk pictured with the 2 smaller versions.  It's made the same way as the 7mm version with Balco PLA 3 part body, Shapeways WSF Details and Y25 bogies.

 

48174234536_0649e6da83_k.jpgGrainflow Polybulks by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

48174310767_42e8e73bcc_k.jpgGrainflow Polybulks by simon br blue, on Flickr

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A couple of pictures of two 4mm Slab sided Polybulks I've been working on , one in the original livery and the second in the later Nacco blue livery, both use the Railtec 4mm decals with the Nacco version using the alternate numbers supplied with the main Polybulk pack.

 

49814504537_cfa26378b6_k.jpg4mm Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

 

49813657353_fc046a94b3_k.jpg4mm Nacco Polybulk by simon br blue, on Flickr

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