RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2014 Has anyone got any idea why Farish have not released their classes 66 and 70 models in Colas livery yet? I would have thought it would not be difficult to do this, and would result in an immediate positive cash-flow for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 43300 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The 70 will need a modification to the tooling in order to be correct as the real locos had an additional cooling system which the Freightliner ones didn't (although they are now having it added). They've already done a Colas 66, haven't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2014 Could be a licensing issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon D Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 They've already done a Colas 66, haven't they? Correct, product number, 371 - 395. Bachmann sold out a good few months ago. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 12, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2014 The 70 will need a modification to the tooling in order to be correct as the real locos had an additional cooling system which the Freightliner ones didn't (although they are now having it added).So I suppose it'll take them forever to modify the tool. Or they could issue the original model in the Colas livery, even though it is wrong. They've already done a Colas 66, haven't they?Damn. Missed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 43300 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So I suppose it'll take them forever to modify the tool. Or they could issue the original model in the Colas livery, even though it is wrong. Damn. Missed that. Several Farish Colas 66s on ebay at the moment - just looked! Dapol have done a twin pack too, with one loco powered and the other a dummy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi there, As others have said, there are Colas 66s out there already by both Dapol and Farish. As to the 70, AFAIK the modification takes the appearance of a box on the side of the bodyshell. I would have thought that such a detailing part would be ideal for one of the aftermarket suppliers to consider. I did ask Bachmann about this at their open day in the summer incidentally, but the 70 (in both OO and N) has not sold as well as hoped so putting more money into altering the tooling seems unlikely at this time. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi there, As others have said, there are Colas 66s out there already by both Dapol and Farish. As to the 70, AFAIK the modification takes the appearance of a box on the side of the bodyshell. I would have thought that such a detailing part would be ideal for one of the aftermarket suppliers to consider. I did ask Bachmann about this at their open day in the summer incidentally, but the 70 (in both OO and N) has not sold as well as hoped so putting more money into altering the tooling seems unlikely at this time. cheers Ben A. So issue the model in its wrong configuration, and either add the box in the bag of things to be attached or let the aftermarket produce the extra bit. Then those that want to can add it and those that couldn't care less can ignore it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Several Farish Colas 66s on ebay at the moment - just looked! Dapol have done a twin pack too, with one loco powered and the other a dummy. A twin pack of 56s would be more appropriate, i always seem to have a dead one behind my working one in real life!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 So issue the model in its wrong configuration, and either add the box in the bag of things to be attached or let the aftermarket produce the extra bit. Then those that want to can add it and those that couldn't care less can ignore it. Hi there, The problem is that the market has become more fastidious. Issuing models with known flaws is not tolerated as once it was. Overall this has been a development for the good, though I appreciate in this instance it may feel frustrating. If the Freightliner versions had sold well, and as the modification is being retro fitted to their locos anyway, it would make sense for Farish to modify their tooling. However, as sales have been disappointing this seems unlikely. Unfortunately, the flip side to this is that to the cottage manufacturers making a new detailing part may not seem worth doing - all that research and effort only to see Farish announce it in a year or two, before you've had a chance to recover your development costs, let alone turn a profit! Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Has the market really got so picky that the missing box on the sides would preclude the release of what would otherwise be a very popular model? Despite there being a vocal minority on internet forums, who would be up in arms, I'm sure the majority of folk wouldn't mind or be happy to add one themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Unfortunately, the flip side to this is that to the cottage manufacturers making a new detailing part may not seem worth doing - all that research and effort only to see Farish announce it in a year or two, before you've had a chance to recover your development costs, let alone turn a profit! Cheers Ben A. im sure PHDesigns do the grille as a 3D print? the only other difference is the lack of weld seam on the cabside but i suspect in N it wouldnt be that noticable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hello all, The loud banging I can hear is the sound of a nail being hit squarely on the head. I often feel that the quest for "total accuracy" has got stupid, and - for example - the vast majority would not notice, know or care about a missing grille on a Colas 70. However, this hobby is not short of people who are especially concerned with detail and accuracy. And the internet gives them a (disproportionately?) loud voice. We've all observed the rush to find fault with new models when they come out (this is more pronounced in some sectors of the hobby than others) but the problem with online critiques is that beyond the username and avatar we have no real idea who the critic actually is: It *could* be someone with many years of experience working with the prototypes, who genuinely knows the vehicle inside out, or it *could* be a 12-year-old in a bedroom with a couple of books and a flickr site. We develop our own filters and develop our own mental list of who's worth listening to, but it doesn't stop supposed "errors" taking on a disproportionate significance. Take the recent Arnold Brighton Belle - the web was awash with people fretting about the solebar cutouts (a necessary compromise, as explained eloquently in the thread by someone who actually knows the prototype) and people saying they would "pass" on the model because of them and yet once the models started arriving there's been barely a peep because, as I have found, when you're running the thing you can barely see them and you forget within the first 30 seconds. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 the only other difference is the lack of weld seam on the cabside but i suspect in N it wouldnt be that noticable Like the visible welds on the Bachmann 00 Mk1 roof panels Jim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Like the visible welds on the Bachmann 00 Mk1 roof panels Jim? Don't know what you mean, was there some hoo-ha about those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Has the market really got so picky that the missing box on the sides would preclude the release of what would otherwise be a very popular model? Despite there being a vocal minority on internet forums, who would be up in arms, I'm sure the majority of folk wouldn't mind or be happy to add one themselves. Not that I do modern diesels on N gauge, but can I see a detail from my operating seat? No. Doesn't matter then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 I certainly hope that Farish do release the 70 in Colas livery. Half the fun for me is adding those missing bits to make it a more personalised model. I am sure others would do the same with a bit of styrene and etch or similar. Accepted that plenty of modellers will not want to mess around with a loco though. Ben, funny you should say that about the 5 BEL as the sole bar cut outs were difficult to see when running on the layout. I could infill them as ther is enough clearance on the curves but hardly seems worth it now. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ben, funny you should say that about the 5 BEL as the sole bar cut outs were difficult to see when running on the layout. I could infill them as ther is enough clearance on the curves but hardly seems worth it now. Ian Hi Ian, Yes, I had pondered various schemes (thin Evergreen strip, black painted self adhesive labels cut to size) before the model arrived; 20 minutes testing session (very enjoyable) and now hardly giving it another thought!!! cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 Has the market really got so picky that the missing box on the sides would preclude the release of what would otherwise be a very popular model? Despite there being a vocal minority on internet forums, who would be up in arms, I'm sure the majority of folk wouldn't mind or be happy to add one themselves. Don't suppose you fancy doing a set of vinyls so one can relivery the Freightliner model, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted October 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think the too much detail / accuracy argument is a very dangerous route to go down. It works both ways - whilst too much might be counter-productive, how do you strike the balance? As an aside if anyone wants me to knock up a 3D print of the cooler box then please let me know - a good photo (or even better a measurement) would be helpful! Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Did Freightliner have enough of a hand in the original creation of the Class 70 models to preclude the early realisation of a Colas version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted October 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2014 Don't suppose you fancy doing a set of vinyls so one can relivery the Freightliner model, do you? I'm afraid that my vinyls would not work well on a 70 - it's far too bumpy....now a 60 might be possible, though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 RE: Farish Colas Class 66. Correct, product number, 371 - 395. Bachmann sold out a good few months ago. Regards, I saw one (new?) on sale at Chelmsford today. Was sorely tempted but the cupboard is full! So perhapes it is still avaliable if you look around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2014 RE: Farish Colas Class 66. I saw one (new?) on sale at Chelmsford today. Was sorely tempted but the cupboard is full! So perhapes it is still avaliable if you look around. trident trains in nantwich have one in the cabinet, spotted it earlier when i popped up there, the farish one is the older livery one btw, with the helmet on the bodyside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 18, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2014 I just got one from Kernow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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