sir douglas Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 I've got a 100w iron the other day and i'm now making good progress with the North British carriage, its looks a right state but will clean up. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 current progress on the carriage after cleaning up excess solder but it still needs door hinges and hand rails before i clean up the flux and muck. the hinges originally came as part of the door droplights but they had to be soldered in off centre and the hinges no longer line up with the slots provided. Back when i started putting the carcass together years ago didnt know about the tumble home so it went together without them, when i got back into it recently and i realised my mistake but i didnt want to take everything apart to fix it, so carried on regardless. So now without the tumblehome, the ends hang over the bufferbeams. footboards on but still need the excess solder removed, i didnt use the board hangers provided as i think they are too weak for the job so i plyed some etch fret strip. I also added a piece of scrap strip across the middle for strength The peco GW 10 ton is just about done apart from a brake lever and chassis painting. I finally go the buffer parts to stay in place and the coupling chain is replaced with my own as the original is too short for me. before the GW transfers were taken off, i measured and copied them to paper to use later as a painting stencil. ive done my usual free hand job on it While the other side is HLR No29, ive tried to do it in a similar chunky font While i was in the mood for lettering, the 1850's midland got a HLR number as 23, i tried a bit of a fancy font which i think looks really nice 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted April 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, sir douglas said: A technical question on the prototype car; does the center axle have any sideplay to allow it to negotiate a tight radius curve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCJACOB Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 There is an NBR 6w underframe at SRPS and one small image on Vintage Carriages website. Back issues of NBR study group magazine may help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2020 You’ll need to allow the centre wheelset plenty of movement, vertical and sideways, for it to stay on the track, Sam. The prototype did it as well, but you’ll need to have a bit more, with springing. Six wheelers will find track defects in a way four wheel and bogie stock never can. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, J. S. Bach said: A technical question on the prototype car; does the center axle have any sideplay to allow it to negotiate a tight radius curve? yes they were compensated and thats why the W iron is on the outside to give more room for the side play 6 minutes ago, Northroader said: You’ll need to allow the centre wheelset plenty of movement, vertical and sideways, for it to stay on the track, Sam. The prototype did it as well, but you’ll need to have a bit more, with springing. Six wheelers will find track defects in a way four wheel and bogie stock never can. im using the connoisseur compensation kit 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2020 Sam, here’s the prototype information you wanted, from Gordon Sewells book. (They’re well worth getting if you can find them.) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) The original etches were designed to take the Gladiator 6 wheel kit which allow plenty of movement. Jamie Edited April 17, 2020 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 in the 1980's, "J. Aspdin" then owned by the Halfmoon perservation group had been out of use for about 20 years since the railway closed in 1959. it was decided to rebuild it back to working order and was restored back to Newland & Snydale condition before it was taken over by the HLR in the 1920's 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 The compensation on the NB carriage give plenty of side play on the centre wheels so i cant see it having any problems though its never going go through the tight points on Deffors anyway, im not that bothered about aesthetic accuracy of the finished model such as the mistake with the tumble home as it is intended to run on Deffors not Eyemouth, the idea of an NB layout didnt even exist between me and Mark back when i bought it work on the Hunslet diesel has stopped but is slow as im doing the louvres as filed strips stuck on. I can only do them a few at a time as its repetitive and tedious so i quickly get bored of it, so far ive only done 2 of the 8 panels and thats with the louvres being much bigger than they should be, otherwise they would have been impossibly small. Also done is the raise part of the bonnet top which i painted black inside before putting the top on. Back to J Aspdin, i picked out a pack of whitemetal brakes from the collection of bits and superglued them to strips of styrene for packing with brass wire in 2 drilled holes, these locate the brakes into corresponding holes in the chassis. i cant do any brake rodding becasue of the pickups except for the front cross bar. The cylinders were also added which all the previous chassis version didnt have, though this is just a basic representation of the front only low shot with the cylinders showing out of the darkness 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Another random side project, but its a simple little one that i might actually finish. A narrow gauge Manning Wardle based on a drawing from the Fred Harman book again. Starting with a Heavily cut down and modified Bachmann Percy chassis from the old layout. ive replaced the motor mounting, cylinders and slide bars. still the original crossheads and rods The replacement cylinders were originally styrene but when i needed to adjust the slidebars, the heat of it eventually warped them so they were replaced with brass/nickel. The cylinders bolt to a brass frame that side in a gap in the chassis The wheelsets and cylinders, showing the cylinder mounting, the hole is to slot over a screw point. got a problem here with shorting which i only found out after making the new cylinders. the wheels are live and insulated by plastic centres on the axles, so the current travelled through the rods ad the cylinders and shorted on the cylinder mounting, the fix was to solder in a piece of copper clad then cut through the brass and the copper. after that the chassis is a fine runner. to save on writing what ive already shown in previous loco builds, i'll cut straight to how the loco is currently. The chimney is a second hand wrightlines i bought about 5 years ago and went on another loco of the old layout which was scrapped when i wanted the chimney for this, but it was also lacking in build quality from those years past The drawing in question is of MW 497-1875 for Anglo Chilean Nitrate Co otherwise known as the Tocopilla railway (the one that Chris Tarrant went to). the loco is envisaged to be for a local fictitious quarry railway which ive been working on for years This my version of the drawing which has been modified from 2'6" to 3' gauge for my railway original from the book Edited May 26, 2020 by sir douglas 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 You might have started something here. I have found an ancient Hornby Percy. Despite vast amounts of crud it appears to be a good runner, especially on feedback. Question for the cognoscenti: is a gradient of 1:36 too much for this little beast? It will be on 34" curves and short trains. Thinking of a roundy roundy in less than 15square feet! The modelling challenge will be 16+ buildings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted May 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2020 I read that as 1.5 square feet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, doilum said: You might have started something here. I have found an ancient Hornby Percy. Despite vast amounts of crud it appears to be a good runner, especially on feedback. Question for the cognoscenti: is a gradient of 1:36 too much for this little beast? It will be on 34" curves and short trains. Thinking of a roundy roundy in less than 15square feet! The modelling challenge will be 16+ buildings. "cognoscenti" i just had to look that up, not heard of that one, other than that, sorry i'll have to pass to the more cognoscenti than me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, sir douglas said: "cognoscenti" i just had to look that up, not heard of that one, other than that, sorry i'll have to pass to the more cognoscenti than me Used by Ferrari enthusiasts to describe those who really know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, J. S. Bach said: I read that as 1.5 square feet! About 12.5 ,to be accurate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 working on the backhead and other large bits to go on. I would normally make the regulator quadrant out of styrene and paint it brass but just for the hell of it, its made from brass this time. The other parts being made up are 2 seperate parts of the boiler underside, there is a gap in the middle for the motor so thats why they are seperate. to the right of them are the sand pots and finally the blcok with a hole in it will be turned down to make the safety valve cover. Studying some works drawing from the same book for making the reversing lever, its unusual that instead of the quadrant being part of the base as usual, it is separate and fixed to the firebox and there isnt a base as such just a pivot bracket here is close up of the drawing for MW632-1876, right hand side of the firebox 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signalman Rich Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Sam Your builds are looking good. Just a small point with your Hunslet diesel which you may find helpful. In "A Pictorial Record of the Diesel Shunter" by Colin Marsden (OPC) there is a photo of 11502 under repair at Stratford Diesel Depot. (plate 118). It shows the front louvres on each side covered by a rectangular closed box about two and a half or three inches deep. The article in Model Railways by Don Townsley with the accompanying drawing and notes mentioned that the shunters were affected by the fumes from the engine when riding on the front steps and the decision was made to cover the front louvres up to prevent that happening again. It would save you making louvres for the front set if you are making the BR version, although obviously there were some Hunslets of this type sold to industry that may not have had the louvre covers. A simple rectangle of an appropriate thickness of plastic would do it. I have been making a model of this engine too, but from card instead of plasticard and laminated up strips of overlapping card which were then cut to length and width. I look forward to seeing your Hunslet when completed. Hoping this may be of interest. Best wishes Rich PS Others may like to know that 'Narrow Planet' make etches for the distinctive 'Hunslet' plate on the front of the loco, but I expect you already know about that. Edited May 30, 2020 by Signalman Rich miswrote 'the' instead of 'your' in the concluding paragraph 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 Hi Rich, ive got a copy of that Don Townsley article. mine will be done "as new" because my layout set about the time they were built and the idea is that one is one trail since its not far away from Leeds. SO no later changes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Last Friday, various parts were fitted, The reversing lever with its reach rod, the sand pots, the 2 parts of the boiler and a tool box salvaged from the same loco as the chimney. I was since doing research on pipework and came to the conclusion that the safety valve cover needs to be made first for it all to fit around, i have got around to doing that yet I instead decided to start making 3 wagons . Something i forgot to mention is that the above is the second attempt, The loco was Started back in December last year but because the motor didnt quite fit in the first body with too much hacking, i put it aside and when i got back to it a few weeks ago, the first body was thrown in the bin as not re usable at all. It was at that time i was also making the wagons but when i put them aside, i forgot to continue with the wagons. The wagons based on my own drawing with inspiration from the slab wagons of North Wales and Portland. i was originally going to try the hook and chain coupling like on the Ffestiniog slate wagons but since retrying the loco changed to Knuckle https://www.rtmodels.co.uk/img_4427.jpg https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2017/post-27037-0-48928700-1500064080.jpg The wagpns will have timber chassis but sat on a metal sub frame for strength, the pieces have been cut, drilled and bent with brass tube soldered in, the idea is to even out the wear of the axle instead of just on the hole in the sheet, i still have some Gibson curved spoke wheels from the old layout which will go on these. coupling housings the housings soldered in place ont he underside with the nuts on the top side. each of these have 8 holes which will solder in brass pins that come down through the timber frame and the 4 width ways timbers on top A styrene jig in about January to make up the chassis' with firework sticks as shown on the right. im not happy with these anymore and the jig is being modified to make new ones 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) i thought i would give some backstory and proper explanation to things referenced "the old layout" as ive been saying is just that its easier and quicker to write than the the full title "Halfmoon Colliery Light Railway" The Bachmann chassis was originally used under a freelance side tank on the layout which previously had a Hornby Caley pug The Chimney and toolbox are from my "locke" class Manning Wardle built on a Dapol pug Edited June 4, 2020 by sir douglas 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 The idea for the railway is one ive been working on for about 8 years, once inn a blue moon redrawing the plans and re writing my history in MS word The pin is on the basin https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/53°40'13.6"N+1°28'04.0"W/@53.6705569,-1.4670035,1767m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d53.6704335!4d-1.467776 Heath common to the south side of Wakefield. around Heath were 3 small sandstone quarries, the type you can find all over that were most likely only used for local construction and not dug as a business. To tell 2 of them apart since they are both in Heath i call them "Hall" and "Common" quarries, with the 3rd being "oakenshaw". Hall is named such for being close to the old and new Heath Halls and Common for being in the middle of the common. Passing by the West side of Heath was the Barnsley canal which joined the Dearne & dove system to the Calder for taking the coal to Goole. There was a basin at Heath with a dry dock, "saw pit" is shown on an OS map so i assume boat repairs could have done here. The idea is that i connect the quarries to the basin with a 3ft gauge line. Why 3ft? around 3ft would be much more likely a gauge for this size of line than 2ft and i prefer the look of it. The first version was from the basin to Hall quarry (red on map below) which would work out at about 1 in 66 gradient. The second line (Blue) was to Common quarry, the horseshoe is because of gradients and the third (Green) was unbuilt with the possibility of also connecting to the Midland line next door My wagon drawing 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) New chassis' being made in the modified jig As already explained before, the cross timbers are held in place not just by PVA but also brass pins soldered tot he sub frame. here that has been done, the excess pin length and excess solder has been ground back and the frame is being painted with the timber masked off Working on the wheels, cutting the axles down to length and cleaning old layers of paint off the tyres. the timber has been painted in grey and then a frame dirt wash before rubbing down with sand paper and cutting chunks out with a knife wheels on and bashed up wagons, they still need the couplings, axle ends painted and some bits of lead inside the timber chassis line up with the loco and a figure for scale. the wagons have ended up taller than expected as the height of the underside of the chassis is set for the couplings and these wheels are larger than my drawings Edited June 5, 2020 by sir douglas 8 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 The wagons are properly done now. The lead weight has been added and painted. 2 of the wagons had to be modified to level the axles as they were wobbling and derailing. and now a photo in better lighting 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 Nice work. The KD(?) couplers surprised me as I would have thought that buffers and links would have been used; especially on a "low-budget" operation such as a quarry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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