kirley Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It is so rare to see good pictures of freight on NIR. This picture by John McKegney shows a bogie flat with containers. Would anyone have information on these containers, I take it they are BR one's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 BR A-Type containers; I've seen photos of similar ones being loaded on to the Belfast ferry at Heysham. Unlike more recent container designs, they couldn't be stacked, which limited the number that could be loaded on a ship. The underframe looks like a recycled carriage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yup. NIR had a selection of bogie (former carriages) and 4 wheel container wagons. Mainly used between Larne and Belfast. Other freight on NIR was mostly cross border traffic from Dundalk to Belfast and Derry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Kieran-yes as stated they are British Rail A type containers.Bachmann do/did these containers on conflats,usually appear on ebay.Nice photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks for all the information. Found a Bachmann one but you can't buy the container separately unfortunately. They look about 10' long. Looking at the bogie flat in the photograph would anyone have a guess as to the size of the original coach it came from, 57' of longer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I think you can be pretty safe in assuming an ex LMS/NCC 57' or 60' under frame, it was very much waste not want not in UTA days, and these were used for various duties on NIR as well. I also saw another pic from the same source showing the same "train" and there was one smaller Type A and two longer Type B containers on board - another good use for yet another old Mainline LMS coach, and find something alternative to do with body and roof. PS these pics are proof that 4 did carry the NIR logo! Unfortunately I don't have a date for them. Colm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks for all the information. Found a Bachmann one but you can't buy the container separately unfortunately. They look about 10' long. Looking at the bogie flat in the photograph would anyone have a guess as to the size of the original coach it came from, 57' of longer? Cambrian do a kit of an 'A' Type container:- http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/accswheels.html Various B type containers, of the sort Bachmann do, did cross the water to Eire and Ulster. Later, Heysham saw Freightliner containers using the Belfast ferry. NIR weren't the only railway to re-use old coach chassis as container carriers; BR had some based on Gresley underframes for its 'Speedfreight' services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Cambrian do a kit of an 'A' Type container:- http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/accswheels.html Thanks for the link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You've probably already seen this Kirley but just for the benifit of others here who haven't. It's another shot of the same train. The wagon does indeed look like a 57' carriage chassis, makes it easier to model then I take it the small containers are called A type and the longer ones are called B type? Not my pic, again it was taken by John McKegney. There's also a pic of these containers in 'UTA in colour' but this time they are in a normal 4 wheeled 5 plank wagon at Belfast docks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jackson Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Initially I thought the bogie flat might be one of three 60ft flats, 610-612, introduced in 1974. However closer examination shows that the underframe trussing is shallower than the normal NCC underframe trussing whether it be 57ft or 60ft. This would suggest the underframe belonged to one of the ex Midland Railway 57ft coaches sent over after the Blitz. The fact that No 4 is shunting would also suggest a date earlier than when 610-612 were introduced. The attached picture shows 610. Note the much deeper trussing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2014 Nice to see the NIR logo on a steam train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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