RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hi all Hornby have recently released a new batch of Gresley Corridor teak coaches, preumably from new manufacturer. Has anybody seen any in the flesh as the pictures on their website suggest a slightly different finish to the R417X series? Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hi all Hornby have recently released a new batch of Gresley Corridor teak coaches, preumably from new manufacturer. Has anybody seen any in the flesh as the pictures on their website suggest a slightly different finish to the R417X series? Cheers Keith I believe that they have not been received with enthusiasm,on this forum at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hi all Hornby have recently released a new batch of Gresley Corridor teak coaches, preumably from new manufacturer. Has anybody seen any in the flesh as the pictures on their website suggest a slightly different finish to the R417X series? Cheers Keith I have just looked on Hornby's website at the Gresley corridor coaches and the teak finish looks abysmal. More so in comparison to the excellent finish achieved on earlier batches, but maybe Hornby feels it is not viable spending good money putting a good finish on these particular models. Shame as I was going to buy a couple to save doing a spot of painting. Interesting though that they are for the early BR period.......Is this a first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I saw them in Hamley's last week. They look a little darker than earlier coaches, but I didn't think the teak looked bad. However at £50 a pop, they're not cheap. They also did teak BR coaches in the 'Rare Bird' and '1948 Olympics' train packs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Question (I have not seen them in the flesh). Is the finish not comparable to the Rare Bird and 1948 Olympic coaches? These were darker than the LNER ones (presumably to reprasent layers of varnish added during the war)? Or is it a case of quality of teak graining etc? The acid test will be pictures of new and old side by side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The graining looks courser than previously. Had it come first we would probably have thought it okay but Hornby spoiled us with its previous teak finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2014 I saw them in Hamley's last week. They look a little darker than earlier coaches, but I didn't think the teak looked bad. However at £50 a pop, they're not cheap. They are IIRC around £10+ cheaper than the last RRP of the previous lot. The Sleeper R4174C was £61.99, now reduced by Hornby to £37.99! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 10, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2014 Interesting though that they are for the early BR period.......Is this a first? Hadn't spotted that, thanks for pointing it out. Maybe the finish in 1948 was not so good as pre-war? They did as G-BOAF pointed out do BR period teaks for the two sets. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike70 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's a pity the finish is not as good as the London Olympic and Rare Bird sets. The sets only have third class and third class brakes. The new releases have first class and buffet coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublecee Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There are two things that you have to factor into this. Detailed scale model. Not suitable for children under 14 years. Colours and contents may differ from those illustrated. Please retain these details and the address for future reference. 2npoint, and one I have raised elsewhere... Unless your looking at the images on a colour calibrated monitor you can't really determine fully whether they are right or wrong. So, the In The Flesh option is really the only way you will ever be able to tell. But from my own perspective, I do need a few more for the garden and have no issue in getting a few of these. They look fine to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There are two things that you have to factor into this. Detailed scale model. Not suitable for children under 14 years. Colours and contents may differ from those illustrated. Please retain these details and the address for future reference. 2npoint, and one I have raised elsewhere... Unless your looking at the images on a colour calibrated monitor you can't really determine fully whether they are right or wrong. So, the In The Flesh option is really the only way you will ever be able to tell. But from my own perspective, I do need a few more for the garden and have no issue in getting a few of these. They look fine to me. Looking at the latest teak corridor coaches and comparing them with images of earlier corridors and the currently available non-corridors, it is now courser and lacks the finesse of the earlier graining and panelling. Images sell the products and in the absence of images posted by members, I'm holding back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 Unless your looking at the images on a colour calibrated monitor you can't really determine fully whether they are right or wrong. If you are looking at an image that contains both production runs (Hornby web shop images) the monitor is not going to make much difference, we are comparing a known finish to a unknown side by side. IMHO you are more likely to get colour discrepancies with the original photography. And yes I could check the colour calibration of my monitor as I have some standard Pantone samples, I have done it the past and the displays (All LCD) were pretty close Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 found a picture via ebay Certainly different. Less 'yellow', but I wouldn't say the printing is any coarser, just the actual designs that have been used in this instance. The 'yellow' honey coloured tones are still there, just in smaller quantites. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzE4WDE2MDA=/z/otYAAOSwfcVUKr~C/$_57.JPG This said, I'm now tempted to snap up a Sanda Kan coach while I still can! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 found a picture via ebay Certainly different. Less 'yellow', but I wouldn't say the printing is any coarser, just the actual designs that have been used in this instance. The 'yellow' honey coloured tones are still there, just in smaller quantites. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzE4WDE2MDA=/z/otYAAOSwfcVUKr~C/$_57.JPG This said, I'm now tempted to snap up a Sanda Kan coach while I still can! Or you could look at the Hornby image: http://www.Hornby.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/4/r4600-Hornby-br-teak.jpg Compared to this: http://www.Hornby.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/4/r4174_1_.jpg BTW Why buy it on e-bay with postage when you can get it from Hornby post free? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Or you could look at the Hornby image: http://www.Hornby.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/4/r4600-Hornby-br-teak.jpg Compared to this: http://www.Hornby.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/4/r4174_1_.jpg BTW Why buy it on e-bay with postage when you can get it from Hornby post free? Keith I've just had a look at the above Hornby images and have noted the big difference in finish and can appreciate the various comments. Looking at them made me decide to have a look at Dad's old black and white photos of teak stock, taken around the dawn of BR. There are only 2 images out of well over 100 on which I can really see any grain at all, most coaches were not very clean and clearly had not recently been varnished. One of the two on which I can see the grain is ex works, as it has a pristine (almost) white roof. Then I had a look at books containing photos in colour of teak coaches in LNER and early BR days. There aren't many photos! Again, on a photo at around 4mm scale the grain is barely visible, it is just about possible to make out which panels have vertical grain and which have horizontal. What I did find is the huge variation in the shade of "teak" colour, within each photo, from a pale yellow brown to a very dark brown. As the variation can be seen between coaches in the same photo it is not film differences. I think that, to my eyes, compared to photos (and even preserved coaches) the graining on both batches of Hornby coaches is a bit prominent. Remember too that preserved teak stock is (generally) kept well varnished, and is kept much cleaner than it was in early BR days which is what the new batch of coaches is meant to represent. David Edited for spelling. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 There is a colour picture in LNER 150 showing 2509 in front of a teak coach, dated 1937. Admittedly the picture quality is not brilliant but the coach looks grubby and the colour variations seem to be mostly vertical, not horizontal! Another picture taken in 1938 shows a B3/2 no 6166 in charge of teak stock and the colour variations on one coach seem more than that between the two Hornby's In Historic Carriage Drawings (Volume 1 LNER) all the 'photos are B/W and in several it is dificult to discern the grain effect at all, again especially in those that had seem some service, there is overall colour variations from panel to panel Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 That looks very crude by comparison with the previous production. Has a repeat rather like a wallpaper pattern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 If it means that these coaches with 'Turnbuckle' frames are going to be less expensive now, then 'conversions' will become far more of an attractive option (well for the few I need anyway) P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hornby have made the big mistake of treating the panels as one large piece of wood i.e they have the graining the same on two panel above each other. The Teak was different in every panel as where the shades of wood used. Very poor offering either due to cheap printing method or bad research by the current factory or for both of those reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The two Hornby pictures are clearly different tones. The black of the bogies and underframes are not the same, therefore you can't compare the rest of the colouring. However there MIGHT be a difference in colour of base plastic used. As for pattern repitition, each 'panel' is one piece of wood, the panel above has a similar grain, as would be expected if they were from two adjacent cuts of one log. This is, I believe, what the LNER tried to do, matching the grain along an entire coach. However I agree that the grain pattern does appear thicker on these new releases. Whether this is by design of production limitations we don't know. It is mean to reprasent wood. If a coach was built from part of a bottom of a tree, there is every chance that large wide rings might be visible.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Cant see much evidence of matching grain in these pictures. Most colour pictures show a vast variety of shades. In particular the Thompsons have huge differences in colours and shades, I realise this is Scumbled versions. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lnerca/with/5821563371/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There was some discussion on the LNER forum some weeks ago about these and we weren't impressed then either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 11, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 Has anybody noticed the broken grab handle on the LH side of the Sleeper. So much for quality control. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 My suspicion is that this change is related to moving to a new factory that uses different (perhaps lower quality?) tampo printing machines than Kader Manufacturing Services/Sanda Kan had. Does anyone know what factory code is on the boxes for these coaches? We could add them to the list here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2014 Bad form I know, but if/when used for 'conversions' and painted maroon then I'll still be happy. The water filler pipes can get a bashing during that exercise, as I well know, but the sides come off so the handles get either lost or recycled as they are quite good little parts. I have yet to complete one I am being assisted with as a first effort. That is an interesting coach that might appear somewhere on hear in the near future and it will not end up as a ER coach. However, if you run LNER then I can see what the problems are; great shame really as they are quite nice products IMO P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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