Mark Saunders Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Very nice but please can we have some hoppers to put behind them? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Hurricane ordered. I may even get round to building a model of Bickershaw Colliery. Can we now have Rodney, Spitfire, Gwyneth, Respite, Warrior, and No 8, to keep it company? Edited November 18, 2014 by bigd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLPG Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Showing my support for North East Models and ordering the Mech Navvies version, excellent!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wot!? No yellow one.........? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Ooohhhrrrrr Backworth!! I'd rather 6 or 9, or even either of the 48's (at the end there was two 48's at Backworth!!) but beggars can't be choosers. As the H people did 49 I suppose that's out. The original WD number was visible under the paint on the back of the bunker on one, I think it was 6 but might have been 9. Happpyyyyy!!!! It was 6 that had its WD number showing through- I think this one came via the Opencast Executive. Shame the Backworth loco is pristine black- they didn't get really strong on cleaning until the unlined blue period. BTW this one and the Cromford one really could do with wooden cab shutters (Backworth on one side only). Les PS- any chance of a couple of these (71515 and No.4) in N please? PPS - there were also two locos numbered 49 at Backworth at the same time (but not at the same time as the two numbered 48). Edited November 19, 2014 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 A couple of details- Backworth's wooden shutters- all locos ran with these. Backworth's cleanliness..... Note 71515 only had two lamp irons on the bunker! No.6 with WD/OE number showing through and showing Backworth didn't have bunker lamp irons at all, just a holder for an electric light- 6, 9, 48 and 49 were all the same in this respect, as were Stephensons 44 and 16- i.e. 6 out of 6 of the locos I photographed........ All the very best Les 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 . It seems odd that colliery locos are so popular as any layout would be quite bleak. What about power stations - Were any Austerities used by the CEGB at old ( 1930s to 1970s ) town power stations ? ( or the equivalent Gas plants ) But I wish everyone good luck (and profits to DJM) with the project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Here's one at GKN's East Moors steelworks at Cardiff, https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/14136718121/ The United Steel Companies had a small fleet at their iron ore quarries at Appleby Frodingham, Scunthorpe. I'm not sure these locations are any less bleak though.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 . It seems odd that colliery locos are so popular as any layout would be quite bleak. What about power stations - Were any Austerities used by the CEGB at old ( 1930s to 1970s ) town power stations ? ( or the equivalent Gas plants ) But I wish everyone good luck (and profits to DJM) with the project There's a certain atmosphere about any industrial layout, but I wouldn't describe all collieries as bleak. Have a look at New Haden Colliery http://www.staffordrailwaycircle.org.uk/layouts5.php Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hi Dave Will they do the Mountain Ash one without the weathering?, as i have on order one of the other ones. This i was going to repaint it too the Ash Mountain loco. So i hope they do it with no weathering as i do not like factory weathering on my loco,as i would like too do it myself . Well done in doing these loco's Darren Hi Darren, Unweathered hasn't been specified by Hattons on this model I'm afraid, sorry. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Underwood Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Dave, looking at the artwork for 71515. It should have red wheels that macth the loco, not black like the artwork on hattons website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Dave, looking at the artwork for 71515. It should have red wheels that macth the loco, not black like the artwork on hattons website. Hi mate, Hattons did all the livery research on these, so i'll pass your comments to them, to amend as necessary. good spot and thanks. cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Just to follow up the comment about cab shutters at Backworth- I've found a pic in a history (black and white) of No.4 with NATIONAL COAL BOARD on the side and a kylpoor chimney- and cab shutters. ID for this loco is Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn 7166 of 1944, new as WD 71512. Came to Backworth as 71512 in June 1961 from Newbattle Disposal Point. Transferred to Seaton Deleval in 9/62 and back to Backworth in 7/63. Renumbered No.4 before 9/1964- I don't have the date to hand. Transferred to Netherton Colliery 9/1967 following a month in Ashington works. Scrapped Sept 1969. I seem to remember a photo of it at Netherton with an ordinary chimney- did it regain this at Ashington works/ The other question is- did this loco also have a prominent mechanical stoker under the bunker? The undated photo is front-end and is clear enough to show only two lamp-irons on the front buffer beam- the middle one is missing. Hope this lot helps. BTW the pic I put up of 71515 (post #32) shows red wheel bosses..... Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 On my laptop these look like O gauge models - hint hint..... who knows where that subtle hint may lead 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I notice the BR one also has a diagonal hand-hold on the tanks, not mentioned in the detail variations. The ones with the black step on a coloured tank are going to be fun to paint/print, unless is is a separate part. Edited November 19, 2014 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wot!? No yellow one.........? Do keep up at the back! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78865-rmweb-commission-hunslet-austerity-through-djmodels/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2014 Do keep up at the back! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78865-rmweb-commission-hunslet-austerity-through-djmodels/ I'd "sort of" forgotten about that one...... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hattons drawing of hurricane, has the dome, lower firebox, and tank step in black, when they were actually green. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_05_2012/post-6977-0-75763800-1336904110.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted November 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2014 On my laptop these look like O gauge models - hint hint..... Yes, its the right size! When can I place my order? That picture shows the loco to be about 2 inches long. That's N gauge sized. Hint hint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I've found another picture of the Backworth one, this time just before transfer away. By this time (spring 1967) it had had its original chimney restored. The IRS book on the class will give chapter and verse on its conversion, but my copy has gone into hiding. It did, however retain its gas valve smokebox door (which wasn't really clear in the other photo). Despite trying to thin out my showcase I've ordered a 71515 I don't really need just to clutter it up further........ All the very best Les BTW my pic of 71515 seems to show the tankside steps as red rather than black..... Edited November 19, 2014 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respite Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hattons drawing of hurricane, has the dome, lower firebox, and tank step in black, when they were actually green. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_05_2012/post-6977-0-75763800-1336904110.jpg That depends which overhaul you are going on, either 1967 or 1974. When it was last overhauled in 1974 it was returned in a lot lighter colour . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 And people say industrial engines are boring... look at the amount of debate going into liveries, it's almost as bad as the Flying Scotsman debate... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Answering a few of my own questions about Backworth No.4 I've found the relevant info spread across four different books... I've sent Dave a more detailed PM with scans of a couple of copyright pics I can't post here..... Backworth No.4 was converted to Gas Producer and Mechanical Stoker at Seaton Deleval by mid 1963 and ran in this condition until Backworth shed converted it back in mid 1967 retaining the air hole in the smokebox door. It was regarded as the strongest austerity Backworth had, having been well set up by the works and well maintained at the shed. They also had No.6 which had been converted at Ashington and wasn't as reliable. No.6 was converted back in 1966. The stoker projected below the frames at the back and there was a vertical plate to protect it from the swinging 3-link coupling. This would all be difficult to produce for a ready-to-run loco, but might make a 3D printing or lost wax opportunity for someone. There is only one stoker still in existence, apparently. This is at Statfold Barn and not attached to a loco. On lamp irons, Backworth removed lamp irons at some time between 1971 and 1973. No.4 would still have had a complete set when leaving Backworth in August 1967. Hope this lot is of use. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Hi Darren, Unweathered hasn't been specified by Hattons on this model I'm afraid, sorry. Cheers Dave Hi Dave Thank's for the info pity that, oh well i just repaint the one i have on order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Stepney Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'm glad to see more industrial models coming onto the OO scene. I've read posts about some of the prototype engines from this Hattons exclusive and was wondering which of these ten are currently preserved in one form or another. So far from what others have posted and what I found searching online, No.7 "Robert" NCB Bold Colliery/No.7 NCB Littleton Colliery, No.71515 Mech Navvies Ltd, No.98 "Royal Engineer" War Department and No.15 Wemyss Private Railway are currently at preserved railways. Are any of the other five preserved? Thanks. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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