brian daniels Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 BR lined green with late crest. The only one lined in GWR days was 4700 which was given fully lined livery with all the trimmings for the S&D centenary in 1925. 4702 had the unique distinction of wearing lined BR black in the early 50s (all the others were unlined). This loco/livery was fairly well photographed so it seems odd that Heljan are missing out on this livery option. I am struggling to find a picture of 4702 in lined black, couldn't point us in the right direction of a picture could you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePipersSon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I am struggling to find a picture of 4702 in lined black, couldn't point us in the right direction of a picture could you? Steam Days - July 2013 has an article - GWR 47XXs 1948-1963 There are two photos of 4702, the first mentions the lined black livery and says it shows up in the first photo (his eyes must be better than mine because I cannot see it). I can only see it on the tender. As an aside, 4700 is shown having the snifting valve (?) on the cylinder chest in 1951, but by 1957 its gone. Did it have a major rebuild? Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Thanks Tom will have to see I can find a copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I am struggling to find a picture of 4702 in lined black, couldn't point us in the right direction of a picture could you? Not especially high-res but you can make out the cab-side lining in these photos as well as the tender. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2015 Still no news on these? Do Heljan even read these forums? Some kind of update would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2015 Still no news on these? Do Heljan even read these forums? Some kind of update would be nice. To take your points in order: No (though some sort of progress report is expected at Warley) Probably not. Yes, it would, but many of us have got used to the way Heljan work and it might be too much of a shock to my system. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2015 To take your points in order: No (though some sort of progress report is expected at Warley) Probably not. Yes, it would, but many of us have got used to the way Heljan work and it might be too much of a shock to my system. John Haha thanks for the clarification John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Has there been any further news regarding the 47xx loco models.... No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Roll on Warley. Hoping for substantial progress to be released on this one although I suspect a release might be some way off yet with the LNER Tango O2, 1366 and 1361 plus the OO9 L&B tanks in the queue ahead of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) At least we know how much it will be now. Edited November 29, 2015 by OnTheBranchline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 How much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 How much? £199.95... Or the left side of a Dapol a4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not bad considering that mediocre kit built 47XXs with iffy running go for £250 on Evilbay. Excellent ones with pedigree go for £300+ .................so for under £200 you get a very accurate model which runs well. This is a niche class of engine and not for the "trainset" - so a fair price in my book. And under the £220 estimated on here a while back. If you want a £50 roundy roundy engine, get somethng from Hornby Railroad range. But someone will moan............. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerrySVR Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Visited HeljN stand at Warley 47xx due third quarter 2016 and GWR dock tank end of 2016 hope this helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 .................so for under £200 you get a very accurate model which runs well. Given the problems that plagued the Claytons and the Garratts id rephrase that to "a very accurate model that hopefully runs well!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Excellent ones with pedigree go for £300+ That low, I'd 'ave thought more like double that. A good guide to professional kit building is 3 x kit, + parts to finish, price - minimum. Edited November 29, 2015 by bike2steam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted November 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2015 That low, I'd 'ave thought more like double that. A good guide to professional kit building is 3 x kit, + parts to finish, price - minimum. 47XX prices have come down since the announcement that Heljan were going to produce one...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Given the problems that plagued the Claytons and the Garratts id rephrase that to "a very accurate model that hopefully runs well!" I'm only surprised that a lively little industry hasn't developed to provide alternative motors for the substandard RTR ones.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm only surprised that a lively little industry hasn't developed to provide alternative motors for the substandard RTR ones.... Good point. But that opens up the proverbial can of worms. On the BG thread some believe the reason for endemic failure was "something other" than the motors.Whatever the reason,some regret the investment they made.Now that stocks have sold,they have accrued in value on e bay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 An earlier thread suggested delivery before the 1366. Is that right? Also any news on numbers or liveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The estimated release date of this model is scheduled for the first quarter of 2017. The models proposed are as follows:- #4780 4704 GWR Green with GWR monogram #4781 4705 GWR Green with GREAT WESTERN #4782 4707 GWR Green with GW #4783 4706 BR Black early crest #4784 4705 BR lined green #4785 4709 BR lined green (as per new build) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) .................so for under £200 you get a very accurate model which runs well. This is a niche class of engine and not for the "trainset" - so a fair price in my book. . I've done more than my fair share of whinging of ever rising prices of RTR locos but I completely agree with you. It's a pretty esoteric loco, and, well... the only game in town if you want a RTR 47xx any time soon. Moreover, there was only ever 9 of the beasts, so who in all reality will want more than one? I can't wait for mine... The estimated release date of this model is scheduled for the first quarter of 2017. The models proposed are as follows:- #4780 4704 GWR Green with GWR monogram #4781 4705 GWR Green with GREAT WESTERN #4782 4707 GWR Green with GW #4783 4706 BR Black early crest #4784 4705 BR lined green #4785 4709 BR lined green (as per new build) Thanks for the information. I just wanted to ask if you knew whether the livery highlighted above will be G-crest-W or GWR? I am 95% certain that these locos were only ever coiffed with GWR on the tender as were all other GWR freight locos of the period, so I do hope Heljan call this one right! Of course, there may have been the odd case of tender swapping with King, Castle, Star or Hall with a G-Crest-W tender, but I've never seen any photographic evidence to prove this. Cheers, CoY Edited November 30, 2015 by County of Yorkshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Moreover, there was only ever 9 of the beasts, so who in all reality will want more than one? Dunno, someone may want to build that lifetime layout of Old Oak in early 1963, then about 6 will do. :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Others may want 4709 in order to put in a display case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I'm only surprised that a lively little industry hasn't developed to provide alternative motors for the substandard RTR ones.... There have been a number of postings to the BG thread, including a fairly recent on from me, indicating sources for replacement motors. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited December 1, 2015 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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